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jack6294
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


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Ok. Have you seen their credit? If not then you can't be sure. I have pulled the credit of thousands of people. I have pulled the credit of close to a hundred millionaires and I can tell you that they DO finance stuff (including depreciating items). You can assume all you want or THINK you know but I can tell you for a fact.



if a millionaire doesn't borrow to buy anything for a few years their credit score crashes.
only a small town Loan Broker lives by a credit score
I'm talking REAL millionaires not showy arse small town big money fakes






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bpfergu
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I've never been a car guy. I have 3 cars, a sc300, a es300 and a 95 honda accord that i drive around to do regular shite in.

the sc300 is cleaner that about 90% of the shite on the road today and i get arse with it no problem. rims, kit job, the whole bit. and i if sold it to day i can probably sell it for what i bought it for if not a little bit more with all the work i have put into it and i have had it since freaking 2004.

I'm not against new cars but I'm against making payments on cars that i am not 100% in love with frick that. The closest i ever came to buying a new car is the new XF and even that I don't like it that much.


FWIW you won't get anywhere near what you paid for it. Aftermarket modifications do little to help resale value, and in some cases can even hurt it. Not to burst your bubble or anything...but I just didn't want you to go to the dealership to put it down on a trade-in only to be stunned by what they offer you.






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ArRazElle
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


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No one said depreciation isn't real you dumb twat. You threw a bunch of numbers around, which by your own example were wrong, then spouted off that we should all check with our accountants to learn something about depreciation.

First, of all, you're an idiot.

"...we should all check with our accountants..."
Secondly, YOU are the only one I am referring to since you are the only one who is trying to argue that depreciation is invalid which you're having a hard time doing, so you've resorted to personal attacks, name calling, and misquoting & misinterpreting my statements the entire thread.

Third, can you not read? Your comprehension skills must suck because as I pointed out in my previous posts, the numbers I "threw around" are averages or ranges with a high end & a low end hence the terms, 'as much as'or 'on the average' or 'as little as'. If you will actually read my statements, the percentages I quoted represent the range in which vehicles will lose value (depreciate) over a 3 to 5 year period (another range). The percentages and values in the example I gave of the actual automobile and its actual depreciation over a 5 year period fall well within this range.

I also referenced the sites from which these numbers came in my last post which you incessantly demanded throughout this thread, and just as I predicted, you completely discounted them. For this reason, I suggested that you check with your own accountant and not rely on me or my sources even though they are based on basic accounting principles which have been widely recognized as accurate for an awfully long time, now.
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Stop bringing up gender, because you're the only person that has brought your gender into this discussion. It's also not about disliking you, even if I do. You made a fairly outrageous claim, then didn't provide any sort of evidence to support it. when I and others called you out on it, all you could say was check with your accountant. It has nothing to do with you personally, but you won't believe that because you think everyone on this board is out to get you because you're a woman.

"Stop bringing up gender."
Really?... I will 'bring up' whatever is pertinent to the discussion. I believe the phrase "you dumb twat" says it all from your perspective.

"It's also not about disliking you, even if I do."
0 FRICKS ARE GIVEN BY ME.
However, it is blatantly obvious that your dislike for me is your sole motivation for your argument since factually, it is without merit. It is also very odd and a little alarming considering you do not know me at all. Weird stalker, maybe?

"It has nothing to do with you personally,..."
BULL SHIT It's fairly obvious that it does.

"You made a fairly outrageous claim, then didn't provide any sort of evidence to support it."
The FACTS I stated are not outrageous at all. You keep misinterpreting and insinuating that I pulled them out of my arse which is a lie. I gave my sources for the figures I stated in my previous almost two page post full of evidence to support my statements which you so conveniently seem to have overlooked. If you want more proof on the numbers besides what I've cited in bold type in my previous post, google "How much does my car depreciate in one year?" or "Is it better to purchase used or new cars?" I doubt you're interested, though, since discussing the real issue isn't your purpose for arguing.

"...you think everyone on this board is out to get you because you're a woman."

There is so much wrong with this statement, I hardly know where to begin.

First of all, FALSE, and how presumptuous of you to tell me what or how I think.

Second, stop lumping everyone else in with yourself. You are the only one taking this benign topic about vehicles and twisting it into something else by making it personal. Apparently, you have a completely different agenda than discussing used vs. new cars.

Last, I think people are out to get me?? This is a message board. I barely think of the posters as people. I do, however, think you might be displacing your own paranoia.






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VetteGuy
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


What a 'tard.

BTW, I don't think I've ever seen a car thread go this sideways.
And I've seen a bunch of car threads.






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VetteGuy
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Yeah, you hit that just right, in terms of market.
Big trucks were kinda at the bottom in '08.

Remember how I said leasing is mostly for suckers?

One notable exception was when everybody was rolling out of leases on big SUVs and trucks in '08. Gas was through the roof, the economy was starting to tank, etc.

Those people lucked out.







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DevilDogTiger
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


My mclaren F1 gained value????
So I'm not sure what you're getting at






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ArRazElle
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Will Cover

I agree with you, especially about this:
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The problem with buying new is that many people don't know how to negotiate when buying a vehicle. They quickly volunteer they have another vehicle to trade in, negotiate from MSRP, believe that rebates aren't allowed to be taken from invoice, tell the sales person how much they are looking to spend and show their true emotions when they go for a test run. And the dealership knows this, because people buy based upon how they feel - which gives the car dealership the leverage.

Four of the five times my husband and I have purchased a new vehicle, we've had to get up and walk out of the room during negotiations to show the sales person we were willing to walk away. Each time, he came after us eager to compromise. I always go into negotiations with the attitude that I don't have to have or need this automobile, and I let the sales people know it. You're right, too many people let the dealerships know how much they want the vehicles, which is a major mistake in negotiating.

My husband always wants me to "do the talking" because he says just by the expression on my face & the tone of my voice, the sales people know I'm not going to cave. I think it surprises them a little, also since being the female, I'm supposed to be the emotional one.






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LNCHBOX
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First, of all, you're an idiot.


I'm not, but OK.

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Secondly, YOU are the only one I am referring to since you


Nope, you've said it to people other than me. so unless you don't know how to reply to the right poster, you're wrong.

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rying to argue that depreciation is invalid


Again, and I'll make it big so you can't miss it, I NEVER SAID DEPRECIATION IS INVALID. I don't know where you keep pulling that from, but I have never once said that.

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Third, can you not read? Your comprehension skills must suck because as I pointed out in my previous posts, the numbers I "threw around" are averages or ranges with a high end & a low end hence the terms, 'as much as'or 'on the average' or 'as little as'. If you will actually read my statements, the percentages I quoted represent the range in which vehicles will lose value (depreciate) over a 3 to 5 year period (another range). The percentages and values in the example I gave of the actual automobile and its actual depreciation over a 5 year period fall well within this range


Show me one example where your 73% in 3 years claim even happens. And It better not be a wrecked vehicle with 150k miles on it either. Never mind that posters actually in the car business said you are flat out wrong about that.

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I also referenced the sites from which these numbers came in my last post which you incessantly demanded throughout this thread


Oh good, you gave me a link to something that doesn't support the claim I questioned. Congrats?

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Really?... I will 'bring up' whatever is pertinent to the discussion. I believe the phrase "you dumb twat" says it all from your perspective.


Or perhaps you come off as a twat. Doesn't change the fact that you were the one who said people were treating you a certain way because of your gender.

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However, it is blatantly obvious that your dislike for me is your sole motivation for your argument since factually, it is without merit.


LO fricking L. You're the one that hasn't provided any facts to pack up your range of depreciation. In case you were wondering, 60% over 5 years =/= 73% over 3 years, which is the reason I called you out in the first place. Show me one instance where that 73% claim actually happened,then you can call it a fact.

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BULL shite It's fairly obvious that it does.


In your mind maybe. You could be any random poster, and I'd still call out your "facts."

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You are the only one taking this benign topic about vehicles and twisting it into something else by making it personal. Apparently, you have a completely different agenda than discussing used vs. new cars.


Last I checked depreciation is a valid concern in new vs used. Asking for you to back up a claim is still pertinent. When you got all holier than though and talking about your job and studies without providing any tangible evidence for your claim, you took it off topic.








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VetteGuy
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


I'm not gonna sit in a room and negotiate with anybody, including the F and I guy.

Do your homework up front, do the deal via email and have an agreed OTD price before you get there.

I like new cars, but I'm not gonna waste a ton of time buying them.







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LSU Herder
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


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They depreciate so quickly. Even if you have all the money in the world like every OT baller, I don't understand the logic behind it. As soon as you drive off the lot it's worth less. Discuss if you will.
This is a pretty simple concept. Start by buying or leasing a new car. Trade for new model every 6 months.

Of course that is only if you live in a place where you need a car. Plebeian.






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ArRazElle
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


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Do your homework up front, do the deal via email and have an agreed OTD price before you get there.


Agree 100%. Most people don't do near enough preparation before buying a new car. It also throws off the sales people when you've got all the pertinent info & your ducks in a row, so to speak.






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ArRazElle
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


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LNCHBOX


You're fricking certifiable.

Jesus Christ. Go to the goddam library or LSU bookstore, or something; better yet, go buy a brand new fricking car, then go frick yourself.

I gave you where to find the information & provided sources. Read the post again; maybe you'll get it one day. Does someone have to wipe your arse for you, too?

Waaaayyy too much of my time wasted on you. Frick the frick off.






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Sir Drinksalot
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


How do you spell the name of gargomels cat? That's what your name reminds me of.
Azrielle?






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LNCHBOX
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


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better yet, go buy a brand new fricking car


Just did that a month ago, thanks.

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I gave you where to find the information & provided sources. Read the post again; maybe you'll get it one day. Does someone have to wipe your arse for you, too?


Insults aside, you still have proven your claim, which was my issue. Feel free to continue dodging it though.

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Waaaayyy too much of my time wasted on you. Frick the frick off


Agreed. I'm done.






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ArRazElle
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


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How do you spell the name of gargomels cat? That's what your name reminds me of. Azrielle?


Who?

Name is kinda cheesy; was just trying to do something original with Razorbacks. That's before I knew how bad we would suck.

ArRazElle = Arkansas Razorback Girl






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TygerTyger
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


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Do your homework up front, do the deal via email and have an agreed OTD price before you get there.




Agree 100%. Most people don't do near enough preparation before buying a new car. It also throws off the sales people when you've got all the pertinent info & your ducks in a row, so to speak


Agreed.

I bought a 2013 Ford Escape last week. I spent 3-4 weeks researching the models, option packages and what they cost, had pre-approved financing taken care of and two solid quotes on my trade in. I also test drove a few models and then left without even talking about buying so I was bringing zero emotional attachment to the table. It also helps that I live in Houston and there's a Ford dealer on almost every corner. I was able to get what I wanted for my trade in, financed through them when they beat my banks rate (2.1%) and beat them down on price based on deals I had cooking at the 3 other dealerships.

If you just walk in to a dealership one day and decide to buy a car the sales guys are going to eat you alive. Sadly, that's how a lot of stupid people buy cars. "What's mah note gunna be?" is all they care about.



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Greg09Ag
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.





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bomber77
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


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Buying a certified per-owned vehicle used to be the way to go.


Certified is a joke. I can certify one in 15 seconds. All it takes is a rubber stamp. A certified unit can have been damaged. There is no difference in it and any other used car.






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VetteGuy
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re: Why do people buy new vehicles?


I sit down with an old yellow legal pad and do all my cipherin' including tax % and trade-in allowance.
Amazing how many times dealers "forget" and charge sales tax on the full sales amount and don't deduct the sales tax for the trade.

If the numbers don't match what I wrote down on the pad, which is what was agreed to, I leave.

I negotiate on contracts all the time. I'm not going to waste my time with some lying numbnuts over a car deal.






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VetteGuy
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CPOs generally have a manufacturer's warranty, either extended or still in place.

We aren't talking about what someone does at the local tote your note store.






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