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rsande2 
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| Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 8:51 am)
I think this is a good idea. Did a search and didn't find anything, hope it isn't germans.
My question is can a state take this sort of action on a federal program? Also, for those on the left, I will assume you would be against this, what is your reasoning for that stance?
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baytiger 
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:06 am to rsande2)
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I think this is a good idea.
it's been done before and it costs more money than it saves
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Spandex Flamingo
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:08 am to rsande2)
Should provide jobs in the drug testing industry.
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TheHiddenFlask 
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:13 am to baytiger)
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it's been done before and it costs more money than it saves
On face, but the removal of money and power from drug dealers saves a lot of money in our bloated prison system.
The sociological effect of drug testing for welfare and unemployment could be an incredible positive.
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ChemE in the OP
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:14 am to Spandex Flamingo)
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Should provide jobs in the drug testing industry.
A truly fulfilling pursuit in life.
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rsande2
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:15 am to baytiger)
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it's been done before and it costs more money than it saves
Is cost savings the only concern, does the principle of the matter not bother you?
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Drew Orleans
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:15 am to TheHiddenFlask)
Exactly.
I'm pretty torn on it though. Dependents would just start using perscription pills and medicines to get their fix.
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Ace Midnight
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:16 am to rsande2)
US DOJ is going to move to block this, as will the ACLU. They just have to get the right federal judge in Texas.
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:16 am to TheHiddenFlask)
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On face, but the removal of money and power from drug dealers saves a lot of money in our bloated prison system.
Perhaps, but have they ever actually taken money away? Isn't something like 80% of welfare related to single motherhood? Meaning the benefit is tied to the kid, not the parent.
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LSU7096
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:16 am to baytiger)
Don't care!!!
Tax paying citizens need to comply with drug testing for more employers, so the benefactors of the taxes should comply with random testing to receive benefits.
GO TEXAS!!!
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ChemE in the OP
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:16 am to TheHiddenFlask)
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On face, but the removal of money and power from drug dealers saves a lot of money in our bloated prison system.
Are there any other ways of dampening cartel profits and reducing violence?
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Robin Masters 
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:18 am to baytiger)
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it's been done before and it costs more money than it saves
Sometimes, on the surface, being responsible with your money costs more like, for example, hiring an accountant, financial planner or attorney to help with decisions and information gathering. Most successful people I have ever read about or listened to say this cost is a worthwhile investment however.
Just a different perspective perhaps.
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Patrick O Rly
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:19 am to rsande2)
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I think this is a good idea.
Think again.
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Homesick Tiger
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:20 am to rsande2)
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does the principle of the matter not bother you?
Does it bother you? I've been tested at work for the last 25 years. If government isn't going to step in for Joe Citizen in the private workforce then we cannot bitch about government mandated piss tests. I think of a goose and a gander when talking about this subject.
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Willie Stroker
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:21 am to TheHiddenFlask)
Against. Not cost effective.
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On face, but the removal of money and power from drug dealers saves a lot of money in our bloated prison system.
Let's not assume drug users are rational transactors. They are not exactly known for their budgeting acumen. If momma don't get a check, momma takes what she wants. Momma don't care.
With drug users, expect drug usage. No drop in demand. No change in prison population. Other people's money will still be used to pay for drug habits.
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Bmath
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:21 am to Ace Midnight)
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US DOJ is going to move to block this, as will the ACLU. They just have to get the right federal judge in Texas.
So it is a civil liberty to get stoned on illegal drugs? Hmmm
If I had to be drug tested for my job, then I don't see a problem with drug testing welfare recipients.
For the record, I don't believe everyone on welfare is on drugs, but I don't want to be paying for the ones that are.
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baytiger
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:22 am to rsande2)
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Is cost savings the only concern
Pretty much. We need our entitlements to cost less, not more.
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speckledtrout
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:24 am to Turbeauxdog)
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Perhaps, but have they ever actually taken money away? Isn't something like 80% of welfare related to single motherhood? Meaning the benefit is tied to the kid, not the parent.
So if you don't want your kid to starve then DON'T DO DRUGS!
Pretty simple if you ask me.
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Tigah in the ATL
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:25 am to rsande2)
another step in our o so effective war on drugs.
Hooray big government!
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rsande2
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:25 am to Homesick Tiger)
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Does it bother you?
Yes the fact that my tax dollars are going to support a drug addict and not put food on the table does bother me. If your on govt assistance you should use that assistance for it's intended purpose. Period.
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