Is Abortion Murder? - Page 11 - TigerDroppings.com

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RogerTheShrubber
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They do right now. Maybe crime goes down if it becomes more accessible and affordable.


I'm OK with the country having this debate BTW. I see your point, and I am open to it.



I've had my battles with substance abuse (mainly alcohol) and understand first hand what damage it could do. I can honestly tell you that if alcohol would have been illegal when I was at my worst, I would be in prison today.

I just think we are being counter productive saving people from their own choices. Sorry for the hijack






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MrTide33
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Its aight. 201 posts





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MrTide33
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If nothing else this thread may have opened some eyes on the reality of abortion and how the media and governemnt like to make it out as no big deal





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Archie Bengal Bunker
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What if you were the dad?


I'm not sure where you are going here, but I'll try.

If you are saying what if the woman I knocked up wanted an abortion, I would go further than just not advocating abortion, I would advocate against it. But if she refused to carry the potential child, that is her choice. I can't force someone to carry a child to term, no more than someone could force me to impregnate someone.



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JEAUXBLEAUX
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absolutely not





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notslim99
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I don't think that life begins at conception, but clearly there is no difference between a baby 15 minutes before it is born and after it is birthed. The truth of the matter is there is a gray area between collection of cells and possibly viable baby. Somewhere in that area life begins. it is hard to say.


See my post on page 5. Are the cells performing life-sustaining processes autonomously at conception? The answer is yes. That child is alive.

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No, at least not in the early parts of pregnancy.

Person-hood (the qualities that make you human) don't develop until well after birth (perhaps as long as one year of age)


The qualities that make you human are not as subjective as "person-hood." The fetus is genetically human. Our Constitution forbids the murder of an innocent human.






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CrimsonCoast
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The fetus is genetically human. Our Constitution forbids the murder of an innocent human.


A fetus is as genetically human as my cut off finger. There is a point during pregnancy where the brain obtains consciousness. We don' have any way to determine this yet, but there is no evidence to suggest that it starts at conception.

I'm all for playing it safe. I say we take the earliest example of a viable fetus surviving outside a human host and call that the "cut-off" date. Right now, that record is something like 21 or 22 weeks into pregnancy. I could get behind a law that prohibited abortions after 20 weeks, or maybe even 15 weeks to be safe.






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Drew Orleans
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If a thug murders a woman who is pregnant, should he be tried for both deaths.

Or what if he stabs her in the stomach and she lives but the baby dies, is it attempted murder of the mother only?






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catholictigerfan
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an abortion thread that I have only posted once in and is over 10 pages who would have thought this could happen.





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notslim99
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A fetus is as genetically human as my cut off finger. There is a point during pregnancy where the brain obtains consciousness.


Does the fetus deserve a chance to obtain consciousness? Our founding documents say yes. The finger analogy is laughable. Is your severed finger developing autonomously? No.






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austingator
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Yes abortion is the killing of another human.





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rsande2
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If a thug murders a woman who is pregnant, should he be tried for both deaths.


This is what I don't get about issues like abortion. If a drunk driver hits a pregnant woman he is tried for 2 murders but yet abortion is not murder. It just doesn't make sense. It seems the left has chosen birth as their arbitrary line in the sand but conception would be just as easy and convenient if that is our main concern.

Do I think abortion is murder? Yes, once you have a heartbeat and a nervous system, whenever that happens, I believe it is taking a life. It does not matter under what circumstances conception took place either. I do have sympathy for those who are victims of rape and incest and understand if they do not want to take the pregnancy to term. I get that, but once you pass a certain point it is still a life. Seems like we could find a compromise somewhere where both the left and the right are content.






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mittmackenberger3
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


yes





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CP3LSU25
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quote: I will not give up in the fight against the murder of a defenseless human being +1.

+1






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LSUSaintsHornets
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Does the fetus deserve a chance to obtain consciousness?

It's not like the fetus would ever know, it isn't a person yet.
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developing autonomously

What does developing autonomously have anything to do whether something is a human being or not? It's totally irrelevant.

Our mind/consciousness makes us what we are.






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notslim99
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This is what I don't get about issues like abortion. If a drunk driver hits a pregnant woman he is tried for 2 murders but yet abortion is not murder. It just doesn't make sense. It seems the left has chosen birth as their arbitrary line in the sand but conception would be just as easy and convenient if that is our main concern.


This.

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Do I think abortion is murder? Yes, once you have a heartbeat and a nervous system, whenever that happens, I believe it is taking a life.


I go even further thinking that after conception, that child has the right to develop a heartbeat and nervous system.

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I do have sympathy for those who are victims of rape and incest and understand if they do not want to take the pregnancy to term.


This is why rape and incest are such horrific crimes. Among the myriad of other problems these crimes cause, one major problem is that the victim could end up with an unwanted pregnancy. However, I cannot bring myself to think that the resulting child is not entitled to the right to live.



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notslim99
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It's not like the fetus would ever know, it isn't a person yet.


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What does developing autonomously have anything to do whether something is a human being or not? It's totally irrelevant.

Our mind/consciousness makes us what we are.


You're missing it. The fetus, being human, has the right to life. Simple.

Yes, our mind and consciousness make up who we are as people. Why should the fetus not be allowed a chance at that?






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LSUSaintsHornets
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The fetus, being human

This is where my cutoff is.
I place value the lives of human beings
I do not place value in something it is human, but not a human being. Killing human body parts or cells is not a crime, but killing a person is.

People have rights, a zygote does not.






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LSUSaintsHornets
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Yes, our mind and consciousness make up who we are as people. Why should the fetus not be allowed a chance at that?

They should, but it isn't a crime in my eyes.

Of course at 5 weeks or so when brain development starts, frick people who get abortions.






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notslim99
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People have rights, a zygote does not.


Here it is, boiled down to its core. The arguement is if you believe the fetus/zygote is entitled to life. I disagree with you and side with our founding documents.






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