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crimsonsaint
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Brain Activity would be the cutoff.
The reasoning is that without brain activity you aren't much more than a vegetable.

That's a bingo!


You two had no brain activity at one point. Or did you? Both of you are agreeing that your life could have been terminated and that's okay.






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RogerTheShrubber
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No heroine, Meth, or Crack though. In no way should those 3 be legal.




Outside the liberty issue, I think if you are going to end the black market for drugs, go all the way. Kind of defeats the purpose to partially end it.

I don't think you would see a major increase in junkies. There are enough pills and powder around now if anyone wants them. As long as they are illegal, you will have a black market and more dangerous alternatives.






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Archie Bengal Bunker
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I also believe the underground economy causes way more trouble than allowing people to use would ever cause.


I wonder what has caused more harm:

Drug Prohibition (murder, extortion, imprisonment, organized crime, etc.)

Or

Negative drug outcomes (drunk driving, alcoholism, drug dependency, overdose, etc.)


I don't have the answer. I lean towards freedom of choice, but I have no doubt that if alcohol were discovered tomorrow, it would be outlawed.



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CollegeFBRules
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Explain that stance for me please. I smoke weed regularly, will have a pain pill every now and then as well.


This sounds serious, I do hope everything is well with you.

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No heroine, Meth, or Crack though. In no way should those 3 be legal.


Why not?






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RogerTheShrubber
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There is also the economic side to consider

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we estimate the impact of legalization on federal, state, and local budgets. The report concludes that drug legalization would reduce government expenditure about $41.3 billion annually. Roughly $25.7 billion of this savings would accrue to state and local governments, and roughly $15.6 billion to the federal government. About $8.7 billion of the savings would result from legalization of marijuana, $20 billion from legalization of cocaine and heroin, and $12.6 billion from legalization of all other drugs.


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You two had no brain activity at one point. Or did you? Both of you are agreeing that your life could have been terminated and that's okay.
Considering that, at that point, they didn't even know their own existences, to them there would be negative thoughts on the matter.

Your question is like me saying that it would suck to be a fly. If I were a fly, I would know no different and I probably wouldn't think my scenario sucked. The only reason I think it sucks is because I am a human and I can recognize that fact from the outside.

Same for your proposed situation. You are looking at it as an observer.

If they have no brain activity, they can't recognize anything positive or negative about their termination.



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RogerTheShrubber
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but I have no doubt that if alcohol were discovered tomorrow, it would be outlawed.


Probably, but it didn't work when they did try to ban alcohol products.






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Wild Thang
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Outside the liberty issue, I think if you are going to end the black market for drugs, go all the way. Kind of defeats the purpose to partially end it.

I don't think you would see a major increase in junkies. There are enough pills and powder around now if anyone wants them. As long as they are illegal, you will have a black market and more dangerous alternatives


The War on Drugs has been pointless, and a waste of money. The 3 drugs I listed though are far superior to pesonal destruction.

Granted, drugs are addictive I know, but that is a personal choice. The 3 I'm talking about lead to nothing but death and crime.

Either way, Weed being outlawed is preposterous.

ETA: Sorry for Highjack OP



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Archie Bengal Bunker
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You two had no brain activity at one point. Or did you? Both of you are agreeing that your life could have been terminated and that's okay.


Wouldn't have been murder, imo. Consciousness makes us who we are. But I also want the plug pulled if I am brain dead.






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Archie Bengal Bunker
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See above


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RogerTheShrubber
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The 3 I'm talking about lead to nothing but death and crime.


They do right now. Maybe crime goes down if it becomes more accessible and affordable.






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MrTide33
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f they have no brain activity, they can't recognize anything positive or negative about their termination.


There are plenty of ways to kill people instantly with them having no thoughts on the matter though.






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Archie Bengal Bunker
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Probably, but it didn't work when they did try to ban alcohol products.


Well, that didn't happen tomorrow... Or a few years from now considering government response time.


Alcohol is very destructive. Prohibition didn't work because alcohol has been a part of human culture for too long. If it were discovered tomorrow, it would be outlawed like bath salts. Alcohol can be very destructive.


Still, I lean towards it should be your right to frick up your life. Survival of the fittest.






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crimsonsaint
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Your question is like me saying that it would suck to be a fly. If I were a fly, I would know no different and I probably wouldn't think my scenario sucked.


None of us are flies. We're talking about human beings. And they don't have a problem with their life being terminated. Surely they've accomplished something and appreciate that "someone" didn't take it from them.






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Scruffy
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There are plenty of ways to kill people instantly with them having no thoughts on the matter though.
You are changing the scenario. He was specifically referring to entities which lacked all cognitive function. In other terms, they didn't mentally "exist" before their death.


We are fast approaching the philosophical endgame to abortion debates.

I also think it is time for me to go to bed.






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Wild Thang
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They do right now. Maybe crime goes down if it becomes more accessible and affordable.


I'm OK with the country having this debate BTW. I see your point, and I am open to it.






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MrTide33
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I also think it is time for me to go to bed.


As well for me. I still have to disagree on the killing of a being with no cognitive functioning and say a sleeping individual. Neither is going to "know" about it






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Scruffy
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None of us are flies. We're talking about human beings.
I understand this, but I was merely pointing out the fact that you are acting as an observer.

The point I am trying to make is this:

Do you exist beyond your cognitive existence? What are we without our thoughts, personalities, emotions, etc.? If my body survived without my mind, what am I?



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Archie Bengal Bunker
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Idk but I couldn't live with myself knowing that I took a child's life.


That is what it comes down to for me personally. You want to scramble that sac of potential human in your belly? Go ahead, I don't have to live with your decision. I would never advocate for someone to have an abortion, but I think it should be their right to choose.



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Wild Thang
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I would never advocate for some one to have an abortion, but I think it should be their right to choose.



What if you wee the dad?






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