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MrTide33
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The truth of the matter is there is a gray area between collection of cells and possibly viable baby. Somewhere in that area life begins. it is hard to say.


So what do you believe should be the policy on the gray area?






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Wild Thang
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Currently the record for "most premature baby to survive" was 21 weeks and 5 days. I'll round off to 20 weeks. Passed that point, abortion is not allowed


This needs to be the starting point for debate IMO.






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MrTide33
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I'll round off to 20 weeks. Passed that point, abortion is not allowed.


Any particular reason you believe the fetus is not a living human being before it can survive outside the womb?






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LSUSaintsHornets
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Arguments / conversation on this board changed your opinion in some regard

Debating the issue made it clear that the arguments I had for birth or even viability were not logically sound, but I did not find the arguments at conception very competent either. Eventually I guess I have decided that our consciousness and mind is what makes us human beings, and that killing a fetus with brain activity or even a developing brain is a moral line I wouldn't want to walk. Again though I don't think I can ever accept a day after pill as murder.






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Scruffy
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This needs to be the starting point for debate IMO.
I don't see how that couldn't be the universally accepted cutoff. There is no reason it should even take remotely that long to decide on an abortion.






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CollegeFBRules
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Again though I don't think I can ever accept a day after pill as murder.


Agreed, no more so than a condom or other form of BC.






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molsusports
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


No, at least not in the early parts of pregnancy.

Person-hood (the qualities that make you human) don't develop until well after birth (perhaps as long as one year of age)







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Scruffy
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Any particular reason you believe the fetus is not a living human being before it can survive outside the womb?
Not an issue of human being or not. Its a system of give and take. I'll take what I can get.






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MrTide33
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Agreed, no more so than a condom or other form of BC.


I, as well, am not against birth control. Although I'm personally against promiscuity, it can't be legislated. Birth control is good in many situations as well






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CollegeFBRules
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Not an issue of human being or not. Its a system of give and take. I'll take what I can get.


This practicality is all but lost on this board. Most would prefer ride off a cliff with their ideological banner flying full staff than compromise at all and get part of what it is they are trying to achieve.






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MrTide33
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Not an issue of human being or not. Its a system of give and take. I'll take what I can get


So you believe its wrong eaarlier but you think that's the best society will agree to?






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Scruffy
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This practicality is all but lost on this board. Most would prefer ride off a cliff with their ideological banner flying full staff than compromise at all and get part of what it is they are trying to achieve.
are you trying to tell me I'm special? Flattery will get you everywhere.



Seriously though, I'm a realist. Abortion isn't going anywhere and I'd much rather draw the line at the point where survivability outside the womb is possible.






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MrTide33
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This practicality is all but lost on this board. Most would prefer ride off a cliff with their ideological banner flying full staff than compromise at all and get part of what it is they are trying to achieve.


On the contrary, I believe it is possible to accept steps toward your ultimate position while continuing to lobby that more needs to be done. I would be thrilled with a federal abortion limit to 20 weeks, but I believe it needs to go further than that as well






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CollegeFBRules
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I, as well, am not against birth control. Although I'm personally against promiscuity, it can't be legislated. Birth control is good in many situations as well


That's cool, but be honest. You were a fan of female promiscuity when you were a teenage / early 20's guy, weren't you?






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MrTide33
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That's cool, but be honest. You were a fan of female promiscuity when you were a teenage / early 20's guy, weren't you?


Well, I'm almost 20, so no actually. I'm not perfect, but I truly believe promiscuity is not good for the country






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CollegeFBRules
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I would be thrilled with a federal abortion limit to 20 weeks, but I believe it needs to go further than that as well


As technology develops methods to keep these newborns alive earlier and earlier into life, I would expect that you will see the conversation change in our lifetimes. And most around here hold the opinion that abortion is a terrible thing. But as Scruffy said, some of us have just become realists and understand that you're not going to make headway on this politically now, and the ramifications of it are costing our children. There has to be a compromise somewhere to ensure their quality of life doesn't suffer for rigid principles that won't effect the change you are seeking with current technologies available in NICUs.






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Neako27blitzz
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Yes, abortion is murder. I realize it's pretty hazy in the beginning stages of pregnancy so I haven't formed a solid opinion on that to be honest. But I'd say once it starts to take shape and/or has a heartbeat, at that point it should be 100% illegal.





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Scruffy
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So you believe its wrong eaarlier but you think that's the best society will agree to?
I have no problem with early stage. I have a problem with abortion when the fetus has the potential to survive outside the womb, and even slightly earlier when it is apparent the fetus can feel sensation, but that is lost on most people who lack the understanding of biology.

Like I said, I'll take what I can get.






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CollegeFBRules
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Well, I'm almost 20, so no actually. I'm not perfect, but I truly believe promiscuity is not good for the country


It was a joke, homes.






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MrTide33
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But as Scruffy said, some of us have just become realists and understand that you're not going to make headway on this politically now, and the ramifications of it are costing our children. There has to be a compromise somewhere to ensure their quality of life doesn't suffer for rigid principles that won't effect the change you are seeking with current technologies available in NICUs.


I completely understand what youre saying, which is why my personal ground game is to convince as many as I can that human life begins as early as I possibly can, while I politically think the GOP may need to take a bay step matter towards something like a federal gestation limit






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