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HubbaBubba 
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:04 pm to MrTide33)
If a parent killed their own child after he was, say, five years old would that be murder, or would the parent be able to claim it was just a later term abortion?
No? So... murder stands apart from abortion simply by a matter of timing, you say? Hmmmm....?
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TN Bhoy
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:04 pm to MrTide33)
Yes. It is an innocent human being.
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:06 pm to cwill)
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Posting on a message board, going to church and praying and voting for candidates that have no chance of changing the law is not fighting.
1. Please do not act like you know that is all I'm going to do about it. You underestimate me.
2. How would you go about fighting it?
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Zed 
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:06 pm to MrTide33)
I'd have a hard time calling it murder as long as the fetus in the womb, but abortion of viable fetuses is close enough that I'm uncomfortable with it.
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:07 pm to HubbaBubba)
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No? So... murder stands apart from abortion simply by a matter of timing, you say? Hmmmm....?
Woah, woah, woah. Im Pro-Life. Murder and abortion are one and the same
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:08 pm to Zed)
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I'd have a hard time calling it murder as long as the fetus in the womb, but abortion of viable fetuses is close enough that I'm uncomfortable with it.
Why does the location inside the womb matter?
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Poodlebrain 
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:10 pm to MrTide33)
Since the legal definition of murder is the unlawful taking of a human life abortion cannot be murder since it is lawful. Why not ask should abortion be murder? To that I would say yes for either religious or secular human reasons. For religious reasons the Catholic Church has made all the necessary arguments, and I'll defer to them. For secular human reasons if diversity is good, and evolution leads to an improved species, then every viable unique DNA molecule should be priceless. Willfully destrying a unique DNA molecule is harmful to diversity and retards the evolutionary process.
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:11 pm to NC_Tigah)
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Fetal viability.
Here's a start. Why do you believe that the baby must be able to survive on it's own outside the womb in order to be considered living in the womb?
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:12 pm to Poodlebrain)
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Since the legal definition of murder is the unlawful taking of a human life
For my purposes in this thread, I will consider murder as the taking of human life.
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HubbaBubba
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:13 pm to MrTide33)
It was a generalization, not directed at you.
This post was edited on 11/13 at 10:14 pm
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Zed
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:13 pm to MrTide33)
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Why does the location inside the womb matter?
I'm not comfortable throwing that word around regarding something that's still in it's mother's womb, and dependent on another body for survival. Is it a termination of life? Sure.
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KeyserSoze999
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:15 pm to Poodlebrain)
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Since the legal definition of murder is the unlawful taking of a human life abortion cannot be murder since it is lawful. Why not ask should abortion be murder? To that I would say yes for either religious or secular human reasons. For religious reasons the Catholic Church has made all the necessary arguments, and I'll defer to them. For secular human reasons if diversity is good, and evolution leads to an improved species, then every viable unique DNA molecule should be priceless. Willfully destrying a unique DNA molecule is harmful to diversity and retards the evolutionary process.
solid
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:15 pm to HubbaBubba)
Gotcha. Thanks
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coondaddy21
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:16 pm to MrTide33)
IMO, its a life that was created and if left to grow in the womb, it becomes a living breathing person, so I believe there can be an argument made for Murder.
If criminals can be charged with double murder for taking a life of a mother who is pregnant with a child, then why should it not be murder if someone decides to have an abortion?
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:17 pm to Zed)
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I'm not comfortable throwing that word around regarding something that's still in it's mother's womb, and dependent on another body for survival. Is it a termination of life? Sure.
Some conjoined twins are dependent on each other's bodies for survival. Also, although babies are obviously not parasites, parasites do need their host to survive, and yet they are a fully living seperate entity
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CollegeFBRules
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:17 pm to cwill)
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Furthermore abortion is a settled issue. It's regulated and here to stay. If reps continue to make this an issue they're ceding the presidency to the dems for years to come. This is basically a who gives a shite thread - nothing is changing.
This thread ended here. I hate abortion, but this post is the truth and nothing will change.
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BeeFense5 
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:18 pm to MrTide33)
Of course it is.
It takes some serious mental gymnastics to convince yourself that it isn't.
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:19 pm to CollegeFBRules)
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This thread ended here. I hate abortion, but this post is the truth and nothing will change.
The thread is still up and alive. If we can change a few hearts on this issue, it can be changed. Apathy is the father of failure
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:21 pm to BeeFense5)
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Of course it is. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to convince yourself that it isn't.
I agree. But as you can see, many people believe it, and we must reach out to them and try to help them see it for what it is.
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CollegeFBRules
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:21 pm to MrTide33)
Republicans are losing the battle for the minds of Americans. The refusal to leave abortion alone and adopt things like the Dream Act will continue to cede elections to Democrats.
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