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MrTide33 
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| Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:45 pm)
If you believe it is in certain cases but not others, please state when it changes and your reasoning. Also give reasoning for yes or no answers please
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Tigah in the ATL 
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:46 pm to MrTide33)
no
That was simple
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:46 pm to MrTide33)
No.
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:46 pm to oklahogjr)
No
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:47 pm to MrTide33)
yes.
Unless the baby is conceived under involuntary circumstances.
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:49 pm to MrTide33)
Does anybody actually have any reasoning?
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Tigah in the ATL
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:49 pm to MrTide33)
your if didn't ask for that.
get it together
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FenrirTheBeard
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yes. Unless the baby is conceived under involuntary circumstances.
Doesn't quite add up. Either it is, or isn't. How the child is conceived predicates whether it is murder or not?
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:51 pm to MrTide33)
Early in the pregnancy, no. An embryo is not a sentient being and thus cannot be "murdered".
Later in the pregnancy, when the fetus develops cognitive thought and a nervous system, a better case can be made that it is murder.
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:51 pm to FenrirTheBeard)
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How the child is conceived predicates whether it is murder or not?
It's a justifiable murder if it is involuntary, imo.
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:52 pm to FenrirTheBeard)
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Doesn't quite add up. Either it is, or isn't. How the child is conceived predicates whether it is murder or not?
You are correct. I believe it is always murder, regardless of how the baby is conceived
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:52 pm to MrTide33)
It depends at what stage the abortion is taking place, but in general no.
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MrTide33
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It's a justifiable murder if it is involuntary, imo.
Justifiable murder??
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blackjackjackson
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:53 pm to MrTide33)
is euthanasia via morphine w/ pallative care murder?
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joshnorris14 
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In some cases it should be considered murder.
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MrTide33
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is euthanasia via morphine w/ pallative care murder?
Yes
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cwill
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Posted by HailHailtoMichigan! yes. Unless the baby is conceived under involuntary circumstances.
You're just saying yes, but your inaction to prevent "murder" clearly contradicts your words.
If anti-abortionists really considered abortion the murder of a human being they'd do more than post on TD.....if you knew 5 yr old children were being systematically murdered in a building in your town what would you do? Post on TD or take up arms to stop it?
It's clear and understandable that people have a personal moral issue with abortion, but its also clear they do not consider it murder.
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MrTide33
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| re: Is Abortion Murder? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:55 pm to MrTide33)
Can I please get some reasoning?
i.e. The baby is not viable until such-and-such. Or it has to take a breath before it's alive. Or it needs a heartbeat, etc.
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FenrirTheBeard
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Justifiable murder
Wow, that's kinda harsh. I hope you or I never have to "justify" murder.
Personally, I feel that when it is still a mass of undifferentiated cells, it is not murder.
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benhamin5555
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A lot of pro-choice people make the mistake of trying to argue that abortion does not kill human life.
Abortion does kill human life. But I value the reduction of human suffering more than the absolute preservation of human life, so if there is no suffering involved with an abortion I don't have a problem with it. As long as you pay for it yourself and it's early in the pregnancy, I'm fine with it.
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