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notslim99
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Sorry... I know the difference between REVENUE and COST, and I know better than to accept that health providers would not be paid more for more patients.


I have three doctors in my immediately family, bro. They have all experienced the same sharp decline in reimbursement since Obamacare was shoved in and ate up $700 billion from Medicare. There is no denying that.






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MoreOrLes
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so until we know more details I'll have to conclude his assertion of "more costs" is pure bunk.



What bunk is your intensional head up your own arse.

Obamacare is costing jobs plain and simple.






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Rex
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This is absolutely true and Rex will never understand this concept because he has no clue about medical reimbursement.

It is NOT true that Medicare reimburses providers less for more patients.







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BugAC
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companies with 20k people tend to already have healthcare...especially if they are a healthcare company


I guess you missed the fact that if you want to keep your current insurance you have to pay a tax. Unfortunate facts from Obamacare.






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tdt
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Good Lord! That's as dense as your arguments for socialized healthcare at forced wage, while at the other end being all for governmental guarantees in your field. Indeed Obamacare did eliminate consideration of pre-existing conditions in issuing insurance. It is the single cost prohibitive mechanism which will drive private carriers from the field. Yet you have the unmitigated gall to regard it as a cost saver to those companies? Wow you are a troll.


There are several things in play here.

1- covering pre-existing conditions are expensive
2- new patients from the mandate and other extensions of private insurance (companies picking it up, letting kids stay on insurance until they're 26) compensate for the expense of pre-existing conditions
3- in the space of administrative costs, which is a seperate discussion and what i was talking about, the absence of stipulations around pre-existing conditions reduces the need for people who perform the administrative task of pricing premiums of people with pre-existing conditions






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BugAC
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It's not like if we have single payer there just won't be any doctors.


Please explain how you pay for 30 million more people on healthcare and not have 1 doctor added?

Why would a doctor sign up for basically medicare on steroids, when they can either retire or set up a cash only clinic? These, again, are facts that have been ignored by the left.

Just wait until next year. EVERYONE'S taxes will increase, and by 2016, quality of healthcare will decrease.






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notslim99
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It is NOT true that Medicare reimburses providers less for more patients.


They have cut reimbursements over the last few years, no matter how many patients the doctor sees. I've seen it.

And they plan to cut another 29.5% in 2012. How is a doctor to pay his overhead and make any money? LINK







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tdt
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i always laugh about how conservatives complain about the rising cost of entitlements and simultaneously complain about the medicare cut

pick a side dudes






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NC_Tigah
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Medicare reimbursement is considerably higher now
Is it?

Gosh, that will come as quite a shock to providers receiving Medicare reimbursements. For example there are circumstances in my field where Medicare reimbursement is lower now in real dollars than it was at inception in the late 1960's. Medicare reimburses us between 1/3rd and 1/4th of insurance rates.






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tdt
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I guess you missed the fact that if you want to keep your current insurance you have to pay a tax. Unfortunate facts from Obamacare.


wut






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donRANDOMnumbers
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im trying to take a middle ground point of view and read all of your thoughts, however all you ever have to add is one line sentences with no substance. give me some facts or at least educated predictions to compare.





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OTIS2
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More people going to clinics would mean more REVENUE for those providers.
That is the singular most stupid, uninformed statement I've seen on this board in a few hours. Rex, you keep on rocking, dude.






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5Alive
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quote: I guess you missed the fact that if you want to keep your current insurance you have to pay a tax. Unfortunate facts from Obamacare. wut


Lol that's not true






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TDsngumbo
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Forward!





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TDsngumbo
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Rex


Get out of your candy cane, gumdrop, pink unicorn-filled bubble.






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rsande2
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i always laugh about how conservatives complain about the rising cost of entitlements and simultaneously complain about the medicare cut


I think conservatives would rather cut other line items in the budget and reform others. Medicare is one of those, it is broke and hospitals are required to apply cost shifting techniques to stay afloat. Ask any health care administrator this, I know I have been in meetings with multiple at a time and they all nod their heads. Cutting something that is underfunded is not a solution.






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Rex
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Here's the most obvious mistake in your post: Obamacare is NOT extended Medicare. It's extended PRIVATE INSURANCE.

The FACT that Obamacare is not extended Medicare and that he's arguing as if Medicare reduces revenue for more patients, even when untrue and totally irrelevant, tells me that the O.P. is baloney. Oh, his company might very well be reducing staff, but his Obamacare reason is bunk.






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carbola
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THE FACTS: Nothing in the law ensures that people happy with their policies now can keep them. Employers will continue to have the right to modify coverage or even drop it, and some are expected to do so as more insurance alternatives become available to the population under the law. Nor is there any guarantee that coverage will become cheaper, despite the subsidies that many people will get.

Americans may well end up feeling more secure about their ability to obtain and keep coverage once insurance companies can no longer deny, terminate or charge more for coverage for those in poor health. But particular health insurance plans will have no guarantee of ironclad security. Much can change, including the cost.

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the number of workers getting employer-based coverage could drop by several million, as some workers choose new plans in the marketplace or as employers drop coverage altogether. Companies with more than 50 workers would have to pay a fine for terminating insurance, but in some cases that would be cost-effective for them.

Obama's soothing words for those who are content with their current coverage have been heard before, rendered with different degrees of accuracy. He's said nothing in the law requires people to change their plans, true enough. But the law does not guarantee the status quo for anyone, either.

So where does Romney come up with 20 million at risk of losing their current plans?

He does so by going with the worst-case scenario in the budget office's analysis. Researchers thought it most likely that employer coverage would decline by 3 to 5 million, but the range of possibilities was broad: It could go up by as much as 3 million or down by as much as 20 million...

THE FACTS: In its most recent complete estimate, in March 2011, the Congressional Budget Office said the new health care law would actually reduce the federal budget deficit by $210 billion over the next 10 years. In the following decade, the law would continue to reduce deficits by about one-half of 1% of the nation's gross domestic product, the office said.

The congressional budget scorekeepers acknowledged their projections are "quite uncertain" because of the complexity of the issue and the assumptions involved, which include the assumption that all aspects of the law are implemented as written. But the CBO assessment offers no backup for Romney's claim that the law "adds trillions to our deficits."...

THE FACTS: Rebates are coming, but not nearly enough that many Americans are likely to get those checks and for many of those who do, the amount will be decidedly modest.

The government acknowledges it does not know how many households will see rebates in August from a provision of the law that makes insurance companies give back excess money spent on overhead instead of health care delivery. Altogether, the rebates that go out will benefit nearly 13 million people. But most of the benefit will be indirect, going to employers because they cover most of the cost of insurance provided in the workplace.

Employers can plow all the rebate money, including the workers' share, back into the company's health plan, or pass along part of it.

The government says some 4 million people who are due rebates live in households that purchased coverage directly from an insurance company, not through an employer, and experts say those households are the most likely to get a rebate check directly.

The government says the rebates have an average value of $151 per household. But employers, who typically pay 70 to 80% of premiums, are likely to get most of that.....

THE FACTS: The tax increases fall heavily on upper-income people, health insurance companies, drug makers and medical device manufacturers.

People who fail to obtain health insurance as required by the law will face a tax penalty, although that's expected to hit relatively few because the vast majority of Americans have insurance and many who don't will end up getting it. Also, a 10% tax has been imposed on tanning bed use as part of the health care law. There are no other across-the-board tax increases in the law, although some tax benefits, such as flexible savings accounts, are scaled back. Of course, higher taxes on businesses can be passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices.

Individuals making over $200,000 and couples making over $250,000 will pay 0.9% more in Medicare payroll tax and a 3.8% tax on investments. As well, a tax starts in 2018 on high-value insurance plans....

THE FACTS: Obama is overstating this benefit of his health law, and his own administration knows better. The Department of Health and Human Services, in a June 19 news release, said 3.1 million young adults would be uninsured were it not for the new law. Obama's number comes from a June 8 survey by the Commonwealth Fund, a health policy foundation. It said 6.6 million young adults joined or stayed on their parents' health plans who wouldn't have been able to absent the law. But that number includes some who switched to their parents' plans from other coverage, Commonwealth Fund officials told the Los Angeles Times...

THE FACTS: The CBO estimated in 2010 that the law would reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by roughly half a percent.

But that's mostly because the law will give many people the opportunity to retire, stay at home with family or switch to part-time work, since they will be able to get health insurance more easily outside of their jobs. That voluntary retreat from the workforce, made possible by the law's benefits, is not the same as employers slashing jobs because of the law's costs, as Romney implies.

The law's penalties on employers who don't provide health insurance might cause some companies to hire fewer low-wage workers or to hire more part-timers instead of full-time employees, the budget office said. But the main consequence would still be from more people choosing not to work.

Apart from the budget office and other disinterested parties that study the law, each side in the debate uses research sponsored by interest groups, often slanted, to buttress its case. Romney cites a Chamber of Commerce online survey in which nearly three-quarters of respondents said the law would dampen their hiring.

The chamber is a strong opponent of the law, having run ads against it. Its poll was conducted unscientifically and is therefore not a valid measure of business opinion.


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notslim99
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re: I Work In Healthcare


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i always laugh about how conservatives complain about the rising cost of entitlements and simultaneously complain about the medicare cut

pick a side dudes


Great sounding lines, but pretty far from being substantive. Conservatives know that if competition were allowed to flourish in the medical field, it would allow for reduction of costs, lowering of premiums, and make 1/6 of the US economy a viable revenue producer. The reality is that people don't want to break away from the government teet long enough to see that there are better options out there.






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ruzil
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obamacare but think its going to help get health care costs under control and improve coverage.


Hmmm...no mention of increasing the quality of health care in that statement.






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