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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:27 pm to VOR)
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So you think that message remains sealed in some conservative "info bubble"?
no
i don't think that message ACTUALLY exists in any pervasive way, but it's perpetuated by those pandering
like i said, it's always one of those, "that's not what they REALLY meant" scenarios
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VOR 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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It's being force fed by their own party. Anything any person to the right of center says something controversial it will be amplified 100 fold. Just the age of racial politics we live in.
PC has become extremely effective in marginalizing a whole group of people based on the comments of a few. The left is extremely effective at this.
You know, I'll admit this much. Put policy aside for a moment. Part of the GOP's problem is just that they are come across as corny, mean spirited, totally unaware of other cultural points of view, etc. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS FAIR. But I am telling you that, as a group, they just don't seem to be much fun. 
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:28 pm to VOR)
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'M NOT SAYING THIS IS FAIR. But I am telling you that, as a group, they just don't seem to be much fun.
who would you rather party with in their prime: george bush or john kerry?
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RogerTheShrubber 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:29 pm to VOR)
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You know, I'll admit this much. Put policy aside for a moment. Part of the GOP's problem is just that they are come across as corny, mean spirited, totally unaware of other cultural points of view, etc. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS FAIR. But I am telling you that, as a group, they just don't seem to be much fun.
Pop culture will do that to you.
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VOR
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:30 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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no
i don't think that message ACTUALLY exists in any pervasive way, but it's perpetuated by those pandering
like i said, it's always one of those, "that's not what they REALLY meant" scenarios
I'm tired and going to bed. But I'll leave you with this. People may be right or wrong in the end, but, for the most part, they know who they are voting for and why. They aren't as stupid or easily hoodwinked as some of the posters on this board seem to think.
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Chris_topher 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:31 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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government isn't a business
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don't tell any republicans that
perfect
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:31 pm to VOR)
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they know who they are voting for and why.
i'm saying they're voting based on party identification. it's not completely against your premise
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OMLandshark 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:41 pm to Scoop)
Because religious wackos have taken over the party, and asians and Jews want to have nothing to do with that. The Republican party better realize soon that they have to stop listening and trying to appease these Tea Party wackjobs, or else risk losing everyone who isn't in the Tea Party.
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OMLandshark
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:45 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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I can say that this is the attitude of the Tea Party. Its their white Christian country and Jews and blacks need not apply.
link?
It doesn't matter what the facts are, since that's what everyone else feels. The Republicans need to get as far from the Tea Party as humanly possible in order for the party to survive. Having spokesmen like Rick Santorum and Michelle Bauchmann is not doing wonders.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:51 pm to OMLandshark)
well like it's been siad before, the "tea party" was a group who wanted limited federal government and states rights
the religious whackos use the label for their own ends
i hate the terminology
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wavebreaker
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:51 pm to OMLandshark)
Nobody will spell it out?
The Elders of Zion want a one world government under their control. Man, that's Conspiracy Theory 101 stuff!
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:51 pm to OMLandshark)
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Tea Party
That word means more to liberals than it means to anyone else.
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OMLandshark
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
I honestly think the only thing that can save the Republican party at this point is to just drop the social policies and focus on economic ones. The religious will still vote for them, and it will give outsiders more of an incentive to vote with them.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:56 pm to OMLandshark)
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I honestly think the only thing that can save the Republican party at this point is to just drop the social policies and focus on economic ones.
Actually catering to racial and other special interest groups will do more for it than other social issues. Seems the racial split got worse this election and it's in politicians best interest to keep it that way.
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VOR
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 6:27 am to RogerTheShrubber)
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Actually catering to racial and other special interest groups will do more for it than other social issues. Seems the racial split got worse this election and it's in politicians best interest to keep it that way.
They really wouldn't have to "cater" much to racial or other identity groups if they were just a bit more diplomatic in their rhetoric (it would help if they'd put a gag on some of their radio and tv shills) and offered specific reasons why it is in those groups best interest to vote GOP.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 7:24 am to VOR)
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and offered specific reasons why it is in those groups best interest to vote GOP.
ironically, it's the social issues that the DEMs are telling the GOP to avoid
what do you think the media would have done if Romney would have gone to a bunch of black churches and pandered to them regarding their beliefs against gay marriage and abortion?
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Navytiger74
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 7:26 am to Scoop)
Why do I miss all the good discussions?
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VOR
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 7:35 am to SlowFlowPro)
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what do you think the media would have done if Romney would have gone to a bunch of black churches and pandered to them regarding their beliefs against gay marriage and abortion?
Well, if that's actually what Romney did, he should be ridiculed. What would have been more productive in this hypothetical (just off the top of my head), would be a message to black churches that focused on strong family structure and specifics in terms of economic advantages for their congregants inherent in GOP policies.
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Navytiger74
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 7:41 am to SlowFlowPro)
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it can easily be argued that those demos refuse to attempt to connect with the GOP
fricking fail. Since when did 10s of millions of voters court a fricking political party? It tends to work the other way.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 7:45 am to VOR)
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Well, if that's actually what Romney did
it's not. he avoided social issues for the most part
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that focused on strong family structure
that's a touchy issue. you have to realize if he goes and touches on issues like that, he's opening himself up for being called a person who criticized blacks for not having strong family structures, showing that he's a white many out of touch with blacks today
that's kind of the catch-22 non-DEMs find themselves in with minorities. perceived differences by race can swing both ways. it's a good message, and one they need to hear, but if the wrong person sends that message they're walking a fine line.
this is actually one area that i'm completely disgusted in obama. if there is one motherfricker on this planet who could get up on a soap box and preach to the black communities in shambles, it's him. he's avoided it though. that's for another discussion
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and specifics in terms of economic advantages for their congregants inherent in GOP policies.
i think he did a lot of this. now you don't have to believe in his policies, but he preached how his plan would grow our economy to create more jobs (whether it would work or not is a different story). more jobs solve a lot of social and economic ills
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