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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 10:52 pm to trackfan)
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That wasn't about social freedoms, it was about religious bigotry and intolerance from people on the right.
how are religious bigotry and intolerance not social issues? 
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VOR 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 10:54 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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i'm trying to figure it out, myself
It's not that complicated. Was just watching Mike Huckabee on Jon Stewart's show (of course, I realize that Huckabee is too moderate and Jon Stewart is a smarty pants Jew socialist pretending to be a comedian and, therefore, many of you will ignore anything they had to say), and the point was made you can't have it both ways by demonizing a group and at the same time try to attract their vote. On one hand, the image of some dumbass schmuck dressed up as a Black Panther in front of a polling place is shown and talked about repeatedly by the conservatives, and then they say to the black folk . . . hey why don't you vote for us? The same holds true for the constant bashing of Latino illegal immigrants.
You can try to distinguish between the "Panther" and "regular" black people or the "illegal" and the "lawful" Latino, but it's the constant drumbeat that turns people off of your party.
I'm not suggesting it's the sole reason, but it doesn't help the GOP.
As far as Jews and Asians are concerned, the fact is they are smart and vote accordingly. Just saying.
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trackfan 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 10:54 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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the only possible point i could see you make would be about the civil rights act, which would ignore the fact that blacks were subject to horrible, racist laws (often by Dem lawmakers) in 1960
I'm not sure we're on the same page. Let me try again. What are the plausible reasons that you can think of that would cause Blacks to switch their allegiance from the Republican party to the Democratic party in the 1960's?
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 10:56 pm to trackfan)
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What are the plausible reasons that you can think of that would cause Blacks to switch their allegiance from the Republican party to the Democratic party in the 1960's?
1. selling fear of racism effectively
2. the same selling points for all groups (moving to the left economically)
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VOR
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 10:58 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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1. selling fear of racism effectively
2. the same selling points for all groups (moving to the left economically)
You know, SFP, sometimes people simply are going to have a diffrent point of view and disagree with you when it comes to the vote. And it's not because they don't possess your wisdom and insight.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:01 pm to VOR)
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by demonizing a group and at the same time try to attract their vote.
when did Romney demonize black people?
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and then they say to the black folk . . . hey why don't you vote for us?
do you think that many black people identify with the NBPP? i'd think your average black person would figure them to be weirdos (like your average white person)
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the fact is they are smart and vote accordingly. Just saying.
for people who stereotypically have a lot of accountants and bookmakers, you'd think they could look at our budget/debt situation and analyze it accordingly
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:03 pm to VOR)
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You know, SFP, sometimes people simply are going to have a diffrent point of view and disagree with you when it comes to the vote.
i'm talking about a group of people who are separated ONLY by race, voting 90%+ for a party
if it happened once? ok
if it happens EVERY election, there is a real disconnect and lots of irrational behavior going on. that shite doesn't just happen
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And it's not because they don't possess your wisdom and insight.
it's usually b/c they're a lot less logical, a lot more emotional, and a lot more selfish
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:07 pm to trackfan)
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I'm not sure we're on the same page. Let me try again. What are the plausible reasons that you can think of that would cause Blacks to switch their allegiance from the Republican party to the Democratic party in the 1960's?
R's have been a fairly homogeneous party with gender/racial neutral ideas. Dems cater to the special interests under their umbrella. Simple as that.
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VOR
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:07 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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when did Romney demonize black people?
I wasn't talking about Romney, per se. It's the subtle message of too many conservatives whether intentional or not. If you don't recognize that fact, you're not paying attention. Shit, just read this board everyday.
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do you think that many black people identify with the NBPP? i'd think your average black person would figure them to be weirdos (like your average white person)
For frick's sake, SFP, it's not the Black Panther guy, it's the fact that Fox and others keep holding up the image of a "scary" black man as being a huge problem. It doesn't do anything to attract black people to your party.
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for people who stereotypically have a lot of accountants and bookmakers, you'd think they could look at our budget/debt situation and analyze it accordingly
They're not scared shitless and a defeatist like you seem to be. Clearly.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:09 pm to VOR)
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I wasn't talking about Romney, per se. It's the subtle message of too many conservatives whether intentional or not. If you don't recognize that fact, you're not paying attention. Shit, just read this board everyday.
Half the shite you people think is racism is paranoia on your part. Perception seems to be reality though. The problem is if you don't cater to specific groups, you are against them.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:11 pm to VOR)
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I wasn't talking about Romney, per se
he was the candidate, though
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. It's the subtle message of too many conservatives whether intentional or not.
this sounds like those, "Obama says he's a Christian, but i don't think he's REALLY a Christian...i just know" comments
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If you don't recognize that fact, you're not paying attention.
i recognize that people identify the GOP as being uncool, rich old white men, even if they're voting for DEMs who are uncool, rich old white men. they also typically fail to point out actual examples of racism by the candidate in question
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For frick's sake, SFP, it's not the Black Panther guy, it's the fact that Fox and others keep holding up the image of a "scary" black man as being a huge problem.
the 2 who got famous in 2008 WERE trying to intimidate voters, though
a 2-man army isn't going to do much, but they weren't there with good intentions. it has nothing to do with race
and how many black people watch Fox News to even see those stories?
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They're not scared shitless and a defeatist like you seem to be. Clearly.
i'm not a defeatist. i'm a realist
there ain't enough money
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VOR
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:16 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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and how many black people watch Fox News to even see those stories?
They don't have to watch Fox. They just have to, say, log onto a message board. Or look at crap on the internet. Or listen to Deep South white Republicans who are in a safe district spew some of their crap. The GOP shite the bed with Nixon's "Southern Strategy" decades ago. It stuck and was later reinforced by GOP advisers like Lee Atwater.
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:19 pm to VOR)
The Black Panther in Philly was just standing there opening the door for old ladies. The people reporting he was intimidating voters weren't even calling from within the state they just saw him on tv.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:20 pm to VOR)
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They don't have to watch Fox. They just have to, say, log onto a message board.
ok. same question
how many blacks read conservative political forums?
it ain't going to be close to 10%, let alone 90%+
you may be accounting for some of that monolithic bloc, but nowhere close to the majority of that bloc
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VOR
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:21 pm to tdt)
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The Black Panther in Philly was just standing there opening the door for old ladies.
Funny enough, I don't doubt that at all. Put a black beret and sunglasses on a brother, and it'll scare the shite out of white people though.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:23 pm to VOR)
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They don't have to watch Fox. They just have to, say, log onto a message board. Or look at crap on the internet.
It's being force fed by their own party. Anything any person to the right of center says something controversial it will be amplified 100 fold. Just the age of racial politics we live in.
PC has become extremely effective in marginalizing a whole group of people based on the comments of a few. The left is extremely effective at this.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:24 pm to VOR)
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Put a black beret and sunglasses on a brother, and it'll scare the shite out of white people though.
the black panther party has such a long history of proclaiming peaceful revolutions
these guys are only scary because of their hats
you put some country yokel in a KKK sheet out in front of a poll and i'm not defending that piece of shit
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:25 pm to VOR)
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They don't have to watch Fox. They just have to, say, log onto a message board. Or look at crap on the internet.
Speak for yourself, white man.
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VOR
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:25 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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ok. same question
how many blacks read conservative political forums?
it ain't going to be close to 10%, let alone 90%+
you may be accounting for some of that monolithic bloc, but nowhere close to the majority of that bloc
So you think that message remains sealed in some conservative "info bubble"? Really? Give me a break.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 11:27 pm to VOR)
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So you think that message remains sealed in some conservative "info bubble"? Really? Give me a break.
It's spread by those who have an interest in political division.
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