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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:27 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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what about the explosion in receipts under Bush2 after his cuts went into effect?
spending also increased, thus more money in the system
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:30 pm to boxcar willie)
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spending also increased, thus more money in the system
then why did our economy crash when the bubble popped? if the increase in GDP was based in government, there should have been no effects
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:33 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:34 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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then why did our economy crash when the bubble popped?
then why did the economy crash right after Bush pumped it up with tax cuts?
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:35 pm to Scoop)
That's easy, because the ones here who can vote are smart, well educated and wordly and thus less likely to vote for the ignoramus party
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:37 pm to boxcar willie)
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then why did the economy crash right after Bush pumped it up with tax cuts?
it didn't. our economy grew and tax receipts increased...then our economy went into a recession about 2 decades in the making
GDP matters. tax receipts are bound by Hauser's law
if our GDP grows, tax receipts grow. if our GDP shrinks, tax receipts shrink.
the question is how do you grow the economy. taxes fall in line with that
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:39 pm to Hmerly)
As has been pointed out several times in this thread, it is the inability for Republicans to attempt to understand issues that are important to them (see the not Americans first comment for Exhibit A). It also doesn't help that Republicans absolutely refuse to take any blame for their inability to connect with other demographics, instead blaming them for wanting free stuff or...
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It is the media in this country that gets the minorities to vote Democrat. Very simple, you turn on the news and it is wall to wall coverage of everything bad for Republicans, everything good for Dems, and everything good for Republicans is spun as bad, especially if it relates to minorities. If not for the media in this country, the vote wouldn't even be close.
... like white people on this board are the only people intelligent enough to dissect media coverage. If only they could go into their communities and explain their points to minorities, then "the vote wouldn't even be close."
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:43 pm to emmanuellewis)
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Republicans absolutely refuse to take any blame for their inability to connect with other demographics,
chicken/egg argument
it can easily be argued that those demos refuse to attempt to connect with the GOP
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:49 pm to Scoop)
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It's mind boggling how Asians and Jews are a voting bloc for the Dems.
because these foreign people live in the metro areas
EVERYONE in the metro areas votes along that 70/30
Latins are spread around farm lands, and not centered in "Rome"
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Tigah in the ATL
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:49 pm to Scoop)
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Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama
 no one wants to hear the real answer.
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:52 pm to Tigah in the ATL)
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no one wants to hear the real answer.
im interested
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boxcar willie
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:54 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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it didn't. our economy grew and tax receipts increased...then our economy went into a recession about 2 decades in the making GDP matters. tax receipts are bound by Hauser's law if our GDP grows, tax receipts grow. if our GDP shrinks, tax receipts shrink. the question is how do you grow the economy. taxes fall in line with that
OK, thought you were saying tax cuts grow the economy and increase revenues
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:55 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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what about the explosion in receipts under Bush2
Housing bubble. Receipts were up in '06, '07, and '08, but Early Bush/ Late Clinton years were pulling in the same amount without the cuts. Why? Dot-com boom. '09, '10, and '11 looked just like '03-'04.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200
Here's the deal. I feel confident that raising taxes will result in an increase in receipts. I am not confident in the "give them more money and the economy will grow to make up the difference" plan. Yea, it could work. But if it doesn't, then we are up shite creek. A risk I'm not willing to take.
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the best way to add tax receipts is to grow the economy
So, what's your target? Keep the Bush cuts? Cut even more? Where are you drawing a balance? There is a sweet spot where government and economy are in harmony. I don't think we are there now, and I don't think an increase is going to put us over the edge.
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:56 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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it can easily be argued that those demos refuse to attempt to connect with the GOP
in a free market business competes for consumers, not the other way around
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:57 pm to boxcar willie)
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thought you were saying tax cuts grow the economy and increase revenues
i am
more money in the economy will allow more trade and efficient use of that capital, which grows GDP
the government taking money out of the economy to distribute inefficiently cannot do as good of a job
unless you think that government knows how to distribute the goods, services, and investment of an economy better than private individuals
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:58 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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So, what's your target?
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Cut even more?
taxes and federal government
i'd slash SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and the military
i'd eliminate obamacare
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:59 pm to tdt)
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in a free market business competes for consumers, not the other way around
government isn't a business
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Archie Bengal Bunker
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:02 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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more money in the economy will allow more trade and efficient use of that capital, which grows GDP
What about business hoarding the extra spending? Apple alone is sitting on $10B in cash. Is that money growing the economy?
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:02 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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government isn't a business
dont tell any republicans that
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 8:04 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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What about business hoarding the extra spending?
if they don't invest it, they'll frick themselves
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Apple alone is sitting on $10B in cash
i think it's a lot more than that, and, perfect example of what i'm talking about
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Is that money growing the economy?
it's available capital to invest in the right opportunity to grow the economy. apple has to invest that money soon or it will continue to deliver a negative ROI (especially with our artificially low interest rates)
however, if the climate isn't right to invest, it would be stupid of them to invest until the right opportunity comes along
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