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wm72
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 5:57 pm to boxcar willie)
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he focused on improving our economy almost exclusively
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give Jews and Asians some credit. Perhaps they didn't believe his policies would improve the economy for them.
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Agreed. What some people miss is that many minorities (Latinos etc along with swing white voters) who aren't "stupid" and vote more for economic issues are even more concerned about things like corporate abuses of extreme centralized power and education than simply "big government".
To make headway with those voters, fiscally conservative or libertarian influenced candidates need to reveal that their policies seriously confront the middle class shrinking into working poor.
Unlike hardcore conservatives, most minorities along with moderate whites don't tend to be a priori anti-government and so they're not as easily convinced that some of these disturbing trends are not due more to runaway corporate power that has been fueled by recent republican policy as they are to taxes and government spending.
I'm sure there are ton of people who voted Obama that don't have much confidence on his handling of the economy but still think it would probably be better than Romney's or Bush's had been.
As an aside: truer libertarians themselves may need to look toward their natural allies on the far left in this regard who are, among other things, very serious about the plight of local, small business vs huge corporations?
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BigAppleTiger 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 5:58 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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s also pretty funny that somehow the GOP has convinced their average supporter that somehow taxation and specifically taxing the rich is going to bring about the end of the economy. There is no way the average Republican voter is sniffing the top brackets, but for some reason, they always vote to protect them. Is it the great American Dream that the GOP is selling? That maybe one day, you might be one of those 250k earners?
Seriously, why are actual top earners voting blue?
I think the true power of the Republican party since 2008 has been to convince lower educated and lower income whites that they are the party of producers keeping this country going. Now they are stuck with all the ignorance they propogated. 
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Hmerly
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 5:58 pm to tdt)
It is the media in this country that gets the minorities to vote Democrat. Very simple, you turn on the news and it is wall to wall coverage of everything bad for Republicans, everything good for Dems, and everything good for Republicans is spun as bad, especially if it relates to minorities. If not for the media in this country, the vote wouldn't even be close.
Just look at the headline on MSN the day after Sandy. "Obama comforts victims; Romney campaigns"
Yet, if you actually read the article you'd know that both campaigned and both lent a hand to help victims of the hurricane. Romney made a great joke about how the media carries Obama's water all the time in their dinner together. "Obama meets with Catholic leaders; Romney dines with rich guys"
Spin like this is why this country is going to go the way of the dodo. People don't read, they just see the sensationalized headlines and the 1 sentence blurbs. It is sad to see, but there isn't much that can be done, unless the journalists of this country realize what their job is once again. This goes both ways, btw. Fox is just as bad sometimes leaning to the right.
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 5:58 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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It's funny how affluent areas and groups voted for Obama, even though he was promising to raise taxes on the rich
doesn't mean that they were making $250k/year (i think the progs now want it to start at $1M/year)
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Weird, huh? I guess those rich Northeast folks just want free phones.
no they're racist and think that poor ole black and latino people can't function without their guidance
taxes are a necessary evil to keep them alive/in line, in their eyes
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It's also pretty funny that somehow the GOP has convinced their average supporter that somehow taxation and specifically taxing the rich is going to bring about the end of the economy.
i don't see how taxation can be good for an economy. taxes, by definition, take money out of the private economy and it's efficiencies. how can that be good for an economy?
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Seriously, why are actual top earners voting blue?
elitism/racism
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:00 pm to wm72)
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Unlike hardcore conservatives, most minorities along with moderate whites don't tend to be a priori anti-government and so they're not as easily convinced that some of these disturbing trends are not due more to runaway corporate power that has been fueled by recent republican policy
crony capitalism is only possible with a progressive-guided economy subject to a huge governmental influence
if you want to combat crony capitalism, you kill the head and the body will die. decrease government and crony capitalism isn't possible. if these groups are worried about corporate influence, then they need to vote to decrease government. voting DEM makes no sense
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truer libertarians themselves may need to look toward their natural allies on the far left in this regard who are, among other things, very serious about the plight of local, small business vs huge corporations?
i don't see how government protectionism is in line with libertarian thought
big, efficient businesses are good
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boxcar willie
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:05 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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it can't be the past 4 years
they were probably more concerned about the next four years. They liked Obamas policy positions better than Romneys
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:09 pm to boxcar willie)
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They liked Obamas policy positions better than Romneys
but Obama never really gave a plan for our economy
Romney was crucified for not picking out specific deductions he was targeting, and Obama never came close to being specific about policy
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boxcar willie
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:12 pm to BigAppleTiger)
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think the true power of the Republican party since 2008 has been to convince lower educated and lower income whites that they are the party of producers keeping this country going
so true, keep your nose to the grindstone and one day you too can be a multi millionaire. They sell a fairy tail to these people.
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Archie Bengal Bunker 
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:12 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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elitism/racism
I guess that reasoning swings both ways now. Didn't vote for Obama? Racist. Voted for Obama? Racist.
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i don't see how taxation can be good for an economy. taxes, by definition, take money out of the private economy and it's efficiencies. how can that be good for an economy?
There is some middle ground. It'st not just 0% or 100% rates. How bad off would the economy be without the Bush cuts? Would it slow to a halt? I tend to think that people will want to continue making money; so, no, the economy will not just stop if rates increase some. We have too much government right now, and we have to start paying for it... while reducing it at the same time. We are in a pretty deep hole.
I guess I just don't think maintaining the cuts or further cuts [unless they are revenue neutral] will improve the economy. Conversely, I don't think small increases will kill the economy either. I think the US debt is the bigger threat than the potential impact on the economy.
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:13 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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no they're racist and think that poor ole black and latino people can't function without their guidance
Oh my God.
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boxcar willie
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:16 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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Romney was crucified for not picking out specific deductions he was targeting, and Obama never came close to being specific about policy
Niether was specific about anything. Specifics kill a politician. Off topic but doing the hard things like balancing the budget will kill any politician. The people may agree with the theory of a balanced budget but if you start naming specifics your done. That's one reason why the talking point starts at taxing millioniares.
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wavebreaker
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:17 pm to Scoop)
For whatever reason Muslims are counted as Asian. Hence the gap.
Secular Jews in the US don't care about Israel and favor the Dems. Roosevelt appointed the first Jewish supreme court justice and had many in his administration. Jews favor social causes and supported Civil Rights. They are also based mostly in large cities which are generally culturally liberal.
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boxcar willie
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:17 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:19 pm to Scoop)
Firstly, the word 'Jew' makes me cringe in certain contexts. This thread title was among them.
Secondly, Obama has not been 'shitty' towards Israel. You might believe that, but literally no "Northeastern Jew" that I know feels that way... and I know quite a few of them.
Finally, I cannot tell you why most Jewish-American citizens prefer to vote for Democrats. I can only tell you that I, personally, voted against Republicans.
When they come back to reality and stop pimping absurdly antiquated ideas as 'solutions' to modern problems, I'll gladly lend them my support.
Until then, I'll continue my personal exodus from the GOP - perhaps I'll be forced to wander the policial desert for 40 years?
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boxcar willie
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:20 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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take money out of the private economy and it's efficiencies. how can that be good for an economy?
it's not, you would want to pump money into the economy, whether from tax cuts or spending, run a deficit, pump up the economy. It's doesn't work anymore once your in this deep.
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wm72
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:22 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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if these groups are worried about corporate influence, then they need to vote to decrease government. voting DEM makes no sense
That makes it sound a lot more simple than it is.
Faced with choices from both sides that are less than ideal, many think that better education and at very least some effort to strengthen the working poor and middle class is certainly better for future economical prospects than past republican policies have proven.
Many people across all ethnic groups just believe that most republicans use the phrase "smaller government" to mean streamlining government to cater more precisely to their own interests and redirecting government spending toward their constituencies.
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i don't see how government protectionism is in line with libertarian thought
big, efficient businesses are good
Recent republican candidates don't strike me anywhere near libertarian in any of their positions that may run afoul of huge corporations.
Agreed, and more small, efficient businesses are even better and something on which they could share common ground with a lot on the far left.
This post was edited on 11/12 at 6:26 pm
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boxcar willie
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:26 pm to wm72)
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Many people across all ethnic groups just believe that most republicans use the phrase "smaller government" to mean streamlining government to cater more precisely to their own interests and redirecting government spending to toward their constituencies.
good point, right on target.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:23 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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There is some middle ground.
no. taxes and government take from the economy. we accept this inefficiency for societal reasons...kind of like how we give up rights for the social contract
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I just don't think maintaining the cuts or further cuts [unless they are revenue neutral]
what about the explosion in receipts under Bush2 after his cuts went into effect?
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I think the US debt is the bigger threat than the potential impact on the economy.
sucking money from the economy is the only way to pay for that debt
the best way to add tax receipts is to grow the economy
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:23 pm to tdt)
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Oh my God.
it's true
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Why did Jews and Asians vote so heavily for Obama? (Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:25 pm to wm72)
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many think that better education and at very least some effort to strengthen the working poor and middle class is certainly better for future economical prospects than past republican policies have proven.
educational opportunities are there. the "working poor" need to take advantage of them
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Agreed, and more small, efficient businesses are even better and something on which they could share common ground with a lot on the far left.
government protecting small businesses just to do that isn't good, though
government giving big companies advantages isn't good, either
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