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JohnnyKilroy
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The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


As most on this board will agree, actual conservatives are/should be fervently against the WOD and the power it gives the federal government. Not to mention the inherent anti-liberty and anti-freedom qualities of prohibition.

What happened on Tuesday in Colorado and Washington has created a HUGE opening for the GOP. Contrary to public opinion, Democrats are the main opponents to legalization. In Colorado, the Dem Governor publicly opposed (and made some pretty off color remarks following the bill's passage). In Washington, it was the Democrat Governor who publicly opposed the measure. In Oregon (who defeated the bill), it was the Democrat Governor who opposed the measure. Additionally, the new WA and CO laws are going to create a massive showdown between the Democratically controlled fed government and the states. The DOJ is already planning to take action against these states and Obama has been on record since 2004 as completely opposed to legalization.

Here's where the GOP has the advantage. Democrats CAN'T support legalization. Anyone care to guess why?









Unions.

The largest groups who oppose legalization (at the state levels) are teacher's unions, Sheriff's unions, and prison unions. Democrats cow tow to these group because that is who funds a lot of their campaigns. I do not have the 2012 figures, but in the 2008 election cycle Teacher's unions (not the evil corporations, man) contributed more to political campaigns than any other group. By a LOT (72 million vs 60 million for the second place spender). Teacher's unions were the biggest spenders in opposition to the 2010 California legalization bid. With Sheriff and prison unions contributing quite a bit as well.

Dems are chained to these groups. They don't support legalization/decriminalization, so dems don't support legalization/decriminalization.

This is the opening for the GOP to rehab their image as old, out of touch racist white people. This is their chance AND it is inline with fiscal conservatism and libertarian (AKA fundamentally conservative) principles.

You know who crushed Romney in Tuesday's election? Blacks, Latinos, and young people. You know who opposes the war on drugs? Blacks, Latinos, and young people.

It's time for the GOP to realize that this is what is coming. Legalization IS going to happen. It's just a matter of when. Eventually public support (which is already over 50% today) will be so great that the Dems can tell the unions to frick off on this issue.
It's time for the GOP to get in front of this issue and fight to end the decades of failed policy (that neither party has tried to stop...yet).


I'm not saying this is what the GOP needs to base its 2016 platform on. Not at all. But it should be a solid part of the platform. Force this conversation into the public. Force the democrats to support the War on Drugs publicly. The GOP has an image problem of being stuck in the past on social issues. This is perfect opportunity to change that image.

What say you?

Personally, I say the GOP is too stupid to get out in front of this issue and will let the democrats champion it successfully in 20 or so years.



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BigAppleTiger
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


I think they would sooner take up the fight for gay marriage than legalizing drugs. Not going to happen in the Republicans current state of being.





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RogerTheShrubber
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


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: Become the party that ends the WOD?


Yes. Add foreign military contraction (our troops) and they cement the national scene for the next couple of decades.

Will never happen though



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lsu13lsu
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It gives the police and jails more jobs. Republicans love police and prisons. Very similar to military to them. Which is scary.





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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


You think Romney would have won Washington and Colorado if he were for pot? And do you think he would have won all of the states that he did win if he were for pot?







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Motorboat
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In case you want the cliff's notes. the GOP needs to move to conservatism and the principles of the the government needs to get out of the way by getting in front of legalization of weed to appeal to minorities that smoke weed.





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Decatur
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


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Democrats CAN'T support legalization.


ORLY?






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Fun Bunch
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


You realize there is 0% chance of either party ending the WOD? No shot. None.





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molsusports
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legalization is a good idea IMO that should gain traction on both sides of the aisle - if the republicans go for it first then there will be some tactical advantage though





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JohnnyKilroy
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


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Will never happen though



I generally agree. But why? Are Big Pharma/Tobacco/Alcohol really in the R corner much more than D corner?

The GOP is going to HAVE to embrace a much more libertarian stance on social issues to remain relevant. This is a big step and that direction. It also gives them more credibility. GOP says they are the party of fiscal sanity and small government. Here's a huge way to say "We're serious" about shrinking government spending/power.

Social conservatism didn't win in 2008, didn't win in 2012 and won't be winning in 2016 and beyond.

I also believe a huge issue with the GOP is the reactive message on social policy. They allow the dems to paint them a certain way, and then react (once the narrative has already been established). This is an opportunity for the GOP to go on the offensive with a social (and fiscal) issue that is heavily supported by the very groups that are winning elections for the democrats.






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JohnnyKilroy
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


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You think Romney would have won Washington and Colorado if he were for pot? And do you think he would have won all of the states that he did win if he were for pot?



Not necessarily.

That's why CO and WA are going to force this issue and create the opening for the GOP in 2016.

The D controlled Fed Gov and these state governments are gonna have a showdown in the next 2-3 years. The Feds AREN'T going to cave. How do you think coloradans (who passed this by 10%) are going to feel after 4 years of being slapped down by the Obama admin? Ready to stay blue? Or ready to accept a party that says we respect the will of your citizens?






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JohnnyKilroy
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


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ORLY?



Ya RLY.

Democrats' biggest donors are against it.

Obama is against it. All of the Dem Governors of the state's that have/attempted to legalize are against it.






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lsutothetop
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This thread should be fricking stickied. Please keep posting, OP, this is solid





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JohnnyKilroy
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


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This thread should be fricking stickied. Please keep posting, OP, this is solid



sarcasm?






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TROLA
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The GOP needs to not take an opinion and place the onus on states rights. The sooner they realize like economics that the Social ideals of citizens vary from region to region, the sooner they can begin to compete nationally again. While this election was close, it was only such with epic failures by the President and even then we still lost. Get back to our true state rights roots and keep the national focus on economic issues and we can regain national prominence.





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JohnnyKilroy
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


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The GOP needs to not take an opinion and place the onus on states rights. The sooner they realize like economics that the Social ideals of citizens vary from region to region, the sooner they can begin to compete nationally again. While this election was close, it was only such with epic failures by the President and even then we still lost. Get back to our true state rights roots and keep the national focus on economic issues and we can regain national prominence.



This is exactly what this is. There WILL be a showdown with the Obama admin going up against CO and WA. The feds will likely win and will probably piss off a lot of the electorate in those states. That's where the GOP has the opening of saying "Hey, y'all voted to legalize? We're cool with that and are going to work to remove the federal laws that are currently threatening your choice"

It will remain illegal in every state that wants it to be illegal.






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RollTide4Ever
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


OP is on point and I've reached the same conclusions. I'm hoping this is one of the Aces in Rand's sleeve when his time comes. Like it took a dixiecrat to pass CRA 64, it'll take a "social" con to do this.





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JohnnyKilroy
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


One last shameless bump, with a hypothetical for D's:

If the R's nominate a fiscal conservative with libertarian social views: Gay marriage a state issue (nothing federal at all RE: banning/limiting gay marriage), Abortion won't be touched, and the OP is part of the social platform; would you vote for them? Would you consider voting for them? Or still no dice?






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lsutothetop
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sarcasm?

nope






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kingbob
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re: The Future of the GOP: Become the party that ends the WOD?


It ain't gunna happen but it would bring the party roaring back.





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