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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:38 pm to themunch)
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The fake was early and wanted to catch them off guard but did not.
it was fricking stupid
you don't call a fake FG in a close game on 4th and long. it's a stupid play with an almost 0 chance of success
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The run with Ware was to not have it be Mett and to not fumble.
it was stupid and had almost a 0 chance of success. should have just waited out the playclock taken the penalty, and pooch punted...or just legitimately gone for it
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:39 pm to shel311)
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2007?
miles didn't recruit flynn
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:40 pm to geauxjo)
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What you're doing is living in hindsight.
no i called them stupid at the time. tactically they made no sense and they were plays with exceptionally low chances of success
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An aggressive play call that works is called genius.
rational aggression is completely different than irrational aggression
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Bugsdad 
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:41 pm to geauxjo)
Fake f/g on fourth and 12 is retarded. I the onside kick, that was a pretty gutsy call even for Les and it almost worked. But the fake f/g never had a chance even IF you fooled the defense there is no way he runs for 12 yds. Now later in the game when he missed the f/g it was 4th and 4, that was the time to try the f/g. Just my .02
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shel311
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:43 pm to geauxjo)
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Problem is when you simply live and form opinions in hindsight- it sort of gives you a slight advantage- don't you think?
I said the exact same thing in another thread.
If all those plays work, he's a genius.
The 4th and 12 fake FG was terrible, agreed. I loved going for the 4th and 1, just hated the call to Ware.
I had zero problems with running 3 times and kicking a FG late. If we make that, with the way our D played up to that point, i was completely ok with playing out like that. I didn't like the chances of throwing an incomplete pass and giving them 40 extra seconds with the time running out.
The onside kick was fine, we obviously saw something in their return team that gave us the advantage, and we had that easily if Hairston doesn't get the bad bounce and touch it 1 yard early.
All in all, it definitely wasn't the best set of decisions, but we've cried about being too conservative for years, now we're gonna cry about taking risks.
It's not as bad as folks are making it out to be.
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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but he still managed to make some utterly horrible and retarded playcalls that made no sense. the biggest being the fake FG. the 2nd was when ware was playing QB and we tried to sneak it
Playing for a FG on 3rd and 8 when a first down effectively ends the game.
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:45 pm to geauxjo)
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What you're doing is living in hindsight. An aggressive play call that works is called genius. When it doesn't its called retarded. Problem is when you simply live and form opinions in hindsight- it sort of gives you a slight advantage- don't you think?
This. People need to understand that Bama has scholarship athletes too.
I only disagree with the logic of two calls: the fake, especially when Bama came out in FG safe and the 54 yard FG.
Don't like long FGs except end of game situation.
PS- Anyone asking why Saban got away from running the ball? They averaged more ypa rushing than passing. They work behind that line and they don't need a 2 minute drive to win it.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:46 pm to shel311)
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If all those plays work, he's a genius.
the fake FG would still be a stupid playcall. it always has been a stupid playcall, and always will be
our stupid fake punt against ASU in 2005 was the same thing (even though that wasn't miles' call. it's just an example of a stupid call that worked)
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I loved going for the 4th and 1, just hated the call to Ware.
the choice to go for it was smart. the play was horrible. i made a thread specifically on that one play, b/c it literally would take a miracle to work in that situation
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but we've cried about being too conservative for years,
if miles thinks that his lack of aggression is due to THOSE sorts of decisions, then we're fricked
our overall gameplan is conservative. a few 4th down calls doesn't change the other 120 conservative plays
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:46 pm to SlowFlowPro)
I thought Les was overagressive, actually.
1) The fake FG was just dumb. 4th and 12? Take the points.
2) The onside kick. I wouldn't have done it. It almost worked and if it did, Les would have looked brilliant. Frankly, I didn't think it was necessary at that point in the game, when the momentum had clearly swung in our favor.
3) The 4th and 1 try with Spencer Ware. Obvious play call. And again, that's another 3 pts. off the board. If Les had played those scenarios more conservatively, we win. In fact, Bama would not even have had a chance to win the game in the end.
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geauxjo
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:46 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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no i called them stupid at the time. tactically they made no sense and they were plays with exceptionally low chances of success
Well by all means put in your résumé. If they work, they're genius. Nearly all Miles detractors said they'd be fine if Miles would just come up with a good game plan. Not play to lose. And stop being conservative. We did all of the above. Put up over 400 yards of O and were one prevent d from a win and are people encouraged. Nope. They hate Miles. Period. I don't know what to tell you bro. You'll never like Miles and because of that you'll always find something to criticize.
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:48 pm to SlowFlowPro)
This thread does not make any sense. Our offense looked great, and the defense was fantastic outside of the last drive of the first and second halves.
Les tried to get too fancy when he didn't need to. Without the onside kick, fake FG, and 54 yard attempt that indirectly lead to a TD, LSU wins by 7-10 points.
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shel311
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:48 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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our overall gameplan is conservative
Have you seen our WRs, Oline, and QB play this season in every game but Bama?
It's hard for a coach to open it up when we are borderling incompetent in the passing game.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:49 pm to geauxjo)
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If they work, they're genius.
no
that fake FG is not genius even if you get lucky and it works out for you. it was an utterly stupid playcall, regardless of results
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Nearly all Miles detractors said they'd be fine if Miles would just come up with a good game plan. Not play to lose. And stop being conservative
pretty much
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We did all of the above.
and we were winning the game until we started playing conservative and "not to lose"
we ended up losing the game because of it
the overall aggressive game was awesome. and hey look! IT WORKED! but then we slide back into pussy ball and lose
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:50 pm to shel311)
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Have you seen our WRs, Oline, and QB play this season in every game but Bama?
washington, too
i think we could alleviate pressure on our OL if we were more creative in our offensive scheming
you see how aggressive play took pressure off the OL and mett last night? being conservative just puts a bigger target on their collective backs
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when we are borderling incompetent in the passing game.
that's a scheme issue, namely les refusing to run an advanced passing game
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:51 pm to geauxjo)
Miles was scared when it counted.
Playing for a field goal instead of a first down that would have ended the game.
Putting the atrocious prevent D back on the field after what happened to end the first half.
The 4th and 1 call was predictable and had no chance of success.
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Bugsdad
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:51 pm to Godfather1)
I see the logic behind the 3rd down run. I don't see the logic going to a soft cover 2 zone after that when we have been covering them just fine all night and pressuring the qb.
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:51 pm to Brettesaurus Rex)
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I think he was coaching the opposite of scared, to be honest.
yeah, that 3rd down and medium toss dive to set up a meaningless field goal was fricking classic LESTICLES!!! FEAR DA HAT!!
This post was edited on 11/4 at 1:52 pm
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shel311
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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you see how aggressive play took pressure off the OL and mett last night?
It was moreso plays working, then just aggressive play. We were able to keep passing because it was working.
In previous games, there was no point to keep passing and being aggressive when it was early 4th quarter and it hadn't worked at all up to that point.
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that's a scheme issue, namely les refusing to run an advanced passing game
It may also be a personnel issue, namely Mett, the revamped oline, and WRs with dropsies being unable to run an advanced passing game. Who knows, if we tried that, it may work...it also may end up in us throwing 2 or 3 INTs a game and wasting a good defense effort.
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:55 pm to shel311)
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We were able to keep passing because it was working.
it was working b/c it was aggressive and over the middle. 2 things miles detests doing
it's amazing how a passing game opens up when you are allowed to pass over 2/3 of the field (the middle)
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and it hadn't worked at all up to that point.
you aren't going to pass it well when you eliminate 2/3 of the field
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| re: There has to be a way to get Miles to stop coaching scared (Posted on 11/4/12 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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and without the ungodly retarded playcalls, WITHOUT having to fire him
i don't want les fired. we couldn't afford it if he was, and our AD is likely to make a horrible hire anyway
it's just mind-numbing that he's still coaching scared AND that he makes such stupid playcalls so often. there has to be a way to get him to stop doing both short of firing him
It's not the false premises.
It's not the faulty reasoning.
It's not the self-regard.
It's the frickING PUNCTUATION.
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