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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:29 pm to boxcarbarney)
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was Ambassador Stevens supposed to die?
go on....
shite I don't know, just asking the question that all this information is leading to? Am I the only one thinking this is where it's leading?
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RTR America 
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:31 pm to USMCTiger03)
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shite I don't know, just asking the question that all this information is leading to? Am I the only one thinking this is where it's leading?
Actually heard this conspiracy a few times
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boxcarbarney
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:32 pm to USMCTiger03)
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Am I the only one thinking this is where it's leading?
Enlighten me...
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:33 pm to Topisawtiger)
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I am a retired military officer and the only time you would ever leave someone like that, without responding is POLITICS. Ever.
Interesting, for you to make that claim you must be aware of some similar situations where force was deployed rapidly with little knowledge of the situation on the ground. Please share.
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Grizzly 
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:34 pm to TigerTattle)
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About 10:00 p.m.: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issues a statement confirming that one State official was killed in an attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. Her statement, which MSNBC posted at 10:32 p.m., made reference to the anti-Muslim video.
Clinton: Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.
This statement gets to me. Romney was crucified for making comments without any facts. Obama uses another cute line "Shoots first and aims later". Yet the first comment the Administration makes, references the video. They used the story even though they had emails claiming terrorist attack.
Not much investigating needed to figure Obama and friends were in cover up mode. This same administration and surrogates crying about this being politicized, and yet all they have done is for political expediency and preservation. The actions and words of this administration and friends is deplorable.
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OTIS2
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:35 pm to boxcarbarney)
What you guys talkin' ' bout???
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USMCTiger03
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:37 pm to boxcarbarney)
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Am I the only one thinking this is where it's leading?
Enlighten me...
 Assets posed to relieve, told to stand down, rumors of commanders attempting to relieve anyway and being shitcanned...is the inevitable that Stevens was supposed to die for some reason?
I recon back to reports coming out right after the attack, that the attackers had intel on escape routes, safe houses, everything.
What In the Frick Is Going On?
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GumboPot
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:40 pm to USMCTiger03)
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What In the Frick Is Going On?
Obama admin was set up and Stevens and the rest paid the price? 
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RTR America
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:45 pm to Grizzly)
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Romney was crucified for making comments without any facts. Obama uses another cute line "Shoots first and aims later".
How ironic this full quote is when you look at the full thing
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"There's a broader lesson to be learned here," Mr. Obama told "60 Minutes" correspondent Steve Kroft at the White House. "And I -- you know, Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later. And as president, one of the things I've learned is you can't do that. That, you know, it's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts. And that you've thought through the ramifications before you make 'em."
fricking hypocrite. Reminds me of when he said when you become President your life becomes an open book.
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boxcarbarney
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:50 pm to USMCTiger03)
Ok. Wasn't sure if you were playing coy.
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:53 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
These people are thoroughly pissed that Fox's preposterous conspiracy theory is not getting traction with more objective news outlets and voters.
It's hilarious how they pretend to know precisely what went down, what Obama and Clinton knew and when they knew it, what Obama and Clinton did and how they did it. Each time one of their misstatements of fact gets shot down they invent something else.
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KosmoCramer 
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:59 pm to Rex)
You really don't think Obama didn't know about this as it was happening? It was a 7 hour long affair.
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/27/12 at 12:01 am to Rex)
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It's hilarious how they pretend to know precisely what went down, what Obama and Clinton knew and when they knew it, what Obama and Clinton did and how they did it. Each time one of their misstatements of fact gets shot down they invent something else.
but yet you don't have any to prove what they said actually happened, happened...because their own statements and facts have been shot down, too
its sad when you can't even trust the White House to tell the truth anymore
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/27/12 at 12:03 am to Rex)
I would love nothing more than to know what the hell is going on. How much longer are they going to ignore, dodge and let the lies slowly bleed out before they tell us? Do you know something, Rex? Or are you being a good little soldier and waiting patiently until they figure out how to lessen the blow of the truth?
This is one instance where your ridiculous "what are they hiding" calls would be appropriate, and yet you can't do it.
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/27/12 at 12:05 am to GRTiger)
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I would love nothing more than to know what the hell is going on. How much longer are they going to ignore, dodge and let the lies slowly bleed out before they tell us? Do you know something, Rex? Or are you being a good little soldier and waiting patiently until they figure out how to lessen the blow of the truth?
This is one instance where your ridiculous "what are they hiding" calls would be appropriate, and yet you can't do it.
exactly.
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CajunAngele
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/27/12 at 12:21 am to Ambassador)
It is the most simplistic thing that makes this credible. There are two articles that announce Ham's replacement. Neither article mentions Ham's new command post or pending retirement.
This entire mess makes me sick to my stomach.
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KosmoCramer
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/27/12 at 12:26 am to CajunAngele)
This is what Panetta has to say:
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As a result, Mr. Panetta said, he and two top commanders “felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.” The commanders are Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. Carter F. Ham of Africa Command, which oversees American military operations in Africa, including Libya.
LINK
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/27/12 at 12:41 am to TigerTattle)
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The buck stops at the top. At least, it's supposed to. And all those along the way to the top who facilitated this fiasco should be held accountable as well. It makes me mad as hell and gut-sick.
Can you imagine being a military recruiter about now? "No ma'am, I can't assure you your son won't be left to die by our government. But if your son has balls the size of cue balls though you might get to meet the Vice President." One hell of a sales pitch.
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USMCTiger03
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/27/12 at 12:48 am to Rex)
Brother, you might want to put your dog head on and swallow 75 Quaaludes. It's only gonna get worse.
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/27/12 at 1:06 am to Ambassador)
sad to say but the General will be thrown under the bus. More then likely an OTH, or even a dishonorable, and bad mouthed by these coward pieces of shite that are currently in the white house. Hopefully he can last until obama is voted out in a few weeks. What a fricked up way to end your career and the many years he served. He is the hero and a man or morals and character not obama. Good luck sir and i look forward to seeing you get your job back in a few weeks. 
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