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HonoraryCoonass 
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 4:41 pm to CITWTT)
The "soft bigotry" of low expectations.
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junkfunky
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 4:42 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Are you under the impression blacks in general can compete with Asians or White People in academics?
No, but what makes you think they ever will if they never have to?
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 4:49 pm to junkfunky)
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No, but what makes you think they ever will if they never have to?
Where did anyone suggest they could?
I don't think as a group they ever will. As a group they can not compete equally?
You think if you create goals they can not meet they will excell? Like sending them to harvard law school or medical school when they aren't academicallly able to compete with those that got their on academic merit?
Yes, that is a great plan,
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CITWTT
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 4:52 pm to junkfunky)
Where excellence is expected of students they are able to rise to the occasion. When sitting in a desk is expected they are more than willing to do so as nothing is expected as no work on thier part is required. The graduates of these sorts of programs will still be given preference in college admissions.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 5:00 pm to CITWTT)
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Where excellence is expected of students they are able to rise to the occasion.
bullshite, cognitively deficient people aren't going to be ready for (real) college no matter how hard they apply themselves. an 85IQ can't anymore out shine a 120 than a 120 can out shine a 144IQ.
And there was nothing in the article about lowering standards, they were adjusting goals, teachers can't make cognitively deficient read to the same level as the able no matter how hard they try either.
Could you understand what was written or did the holy ghost interpret it for you?
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JLSIX 
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 5:16 pm to CITWTT)
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The Florida state board of education has come up with a novel approach to the problem, race based requirements will be instituted by 2018. Asian have to score the highest, then caucasians, next up Latinos and then the African American community. The percentile differences betwenn the highest and the lowest is twenty percent. Education problem now fixed, everybody gets to graduate on time.
Different but equal!!! This is not racist at all!!! 
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CITWTT
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 5:26 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
Goals and standards are semantics over the process for asessment of students. If the thing is a question of IQ according to you then why are we bothering to teach them anything beyond how to write thier name on the back of a paycheck and a trade?
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CITWTT
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 5:28 pm to JLSIX)
That is so before Brown vs Topeka board of education. 
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shutterspeed 
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 6:27 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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I saw nothing in the article about standards,
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State Board of Education Chairwoman Kathleen Shanahan said that setting goals for different subgroups was needed to comply with terms of a waiver that Florida and 32 other states have from some provisions of the federal No Child Left Behind Act. These waivers were used to make the states independent from some federal regulations.
Are you really going to split semantic hairs between "goals" and "standards?" Any way you want to put it, these "goals" will have to be met to meet federal regulations.
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Fill me in what is that similar to?
Separate But Equal. In this case, children of separate races will be entitled to equal educational resources but separate expectations. Seems like an insidious form of racism to me.
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Concealing differences seems like a great recipe to promote failure and generate anger.
Differences divide, similarities unite. We should be eliminating racial categories instead of forming public policy around them. With this new policy, racial groups like Blacks are not likely to ever see themselves as having an internal locus of control. We are dooming an entire race of people to government dependence and hatred of races/people who practice self-determination. The flipside of the coin, of course, is that races held to a higher standard will further despise those who are not. To me, the elimination of race from any equation places success/blame squarely on the individual. That seems perfectly aligned with American ideals.
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Are you under the impression blacks in general can compete with Asians or White People in academics?
If not expected to, then they never will. At least if we expect high standards for all, there is the potential to rise.
EDITED: Quoted wrong initial passage.
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Chrome
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 8:07 pm to shutterspeed)
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Separate But Equal. In this case, children of separate races will be entitled to equal educational resources but separate expectations. Seems like an insidious form of racism to me
Does to me also. As someone has already stated if I were black I would be insulted.
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mikelowery1911
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 8:43 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Florida is putting its toe into reality, they aren't requiring equal outcomes and dumbing down the Asians to perfom like blacks. They are setting goals based upon cognitive ability.
Do you really believe your innate cognitive ability argument or are you being sarcastic? Race is not the great decider of test scores. Poverty or more specific the culture of poverty is. Poor students who come from a background of generational poverty and are dis proportionally black and hispanic.
There is no difference in test scores or academic achievement between black and white middle and upper middle class students. The nationally ranked magnet schools in Baton Rouge and New Orleans are over 50% black. These kids come from households that were they are taught the value of education and delayed gratification.
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Poodlebrain
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 10:57 pm to shutterspeed)
Imagine the next step. In order to meet the goals for proficiency the standards for each class will be adjusted to reflect their different starting points. Where an Asian kid might need a score of 70% for proficiency, a black kid might only need 55% to be considered proficient.
It will be necessary to avoid failure to comply with. Federal requirements for education funding. so states will just dumb down the proficiency levels for underachievers.
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Willie Stroker
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| re: HOw to denote progress and success in education now has a new twist (Posted on 10/13/12 at 11:07 pm to CITWTT)
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Asian have to score the highest, then caucasians, next up Latinos and then the African American community.
It's only a matter of time before Asian guilt results in the first Latino President.
Edit: Could remnants of white guilt be the reason whites don't get the first letter of their mult-syllable label capitalized in the OP?
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