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This little gem struck me funny...the lib attorneys are already threatening business people. I didn't even think of the number of lawsuits that business's are going to be hit with!!!

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Washington, D.C., employment law attorney Robert B. Fitzpatrick offered this prediction if Obama wins re-election: “I would think aggressive enforcement people within the administration would pursue cases like that. And say listen, you're just playing with the numbers, playing with the hours to try to avoid compliance with providing health care to employees,” Fitzpatrick told Fox News. “And there are going to be consequences.”



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Isn't it great.
Seeing more of businesses shut down because of an overbearing government.






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Seeing more of businesses shut down because of an overbearing government.



Still waiting for the first business to shut down because of the "burden" of Obamacare.

Links to angry rhetoric coming from business owners who simply don't like Obama aren't relevant. I eagerly await the first verifiable instance of Obamacare killing a business.



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Businesses are in business to make money. If they can find a way to keep their employees happy and still stay in business, they will do it.

But if this law is going to cost them money then they will find a way to improve their bottom line or close their doors.

What the hell is so hard for some people to understand about this?

Obama is doing this and the business community is predictably doing what is best for them.






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Still waiting for the first business to shut down because of the "burden" of Obamacare.


When it happens you will say they weren't competitive/adaptive/creative enough because you are a fricking tool.

If you don't believe raising costs deters investment and inherently leads to more businesses failing, especially those on the margin of success, you are fricking hopeless.






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Hell, we don't even fire people anymore, basically because of documentation and fear of lawsuits...we just slowly cut their hours until they can't make it any longer...it's shitty, however, it's what has been forced on us...not only that, it avoids that unemployment hit





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When it happens you will say they weren't competitive/adaptive/creative enough because you are a fricking tool.



Obviously I'll want substantive proof that it was Obamacare, and not the hundreds of other reasons for shutting down, that instigated the closing. That doesn't mean I'll refuse to acknowledge it. It may be difficult to prove, but if someone wants to make a sweeping claim like that they better be able to back it up with figures.

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If you don't believe raising costs deters investment and inherently leads to more businesses failing, especially those on the margin of success, you are fricking hopeless.


I appreciate the ad-hominems. But it will be just as easy to see Obamacare as the bogie-man killing businesses as it will be to blindly deny any negative effects of the legislation.






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Obviously I'll want substantive proof that it was Obamacare, and not the hundreds of other reasons for shutting down, that instigated the closing.


obviously you don't own a business...there are usually not hundreds of reasons for shutting down...typically it is because you spend more than you take in...this will be how Obamacare impacts business






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I appreciate the ad-hominems. But it will be just as easy to see Obamacare as the bogie-man killing businesses as it will be to blindly deny any negative effects of the legislation.


It's not ad homonym, it's basic economic principle, it's academically published and reviewed. Government imposed costs are a barrier to entry, discourage investment, and lead to less efficient deployment of capital and lower employment. If you won't agree to those terms as a basis to conversation, productive conversation with you is hopeless.

You are free to argue that the societal benefits outweigh the decrease in productivity, but you can not legitimately deny the decrease in productivity.







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Obviously I'll want substantive proof that it was Obamacare, and not the hundreds of other reasons for shutting down, that instigated the closing. That doesn't mean I'll refuse to acknowledge it. It may be difficult to prove, but if someone wants to make a sweeping claim like that they better be able to back it up with figures.



so in short you would not accept any explanation pointing to obamacare.
i am sure you also adhere to such stringent principles when its a conservative idea that is accused of costing jobs or causing a business to fail.






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PRK
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It's not ad homonym


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fricking tool


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fricking hopeless



Those are ad hominems. They generally hurt your arguments, so my advice to you would be to refrain from personal attacks whenever possible. Substantive, rational thought will get you farther.

I sometimes have trouble following my own advice. It's tempting to name call on the internet. But it looks like you have real arguments to make, so stick to facts.






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PRK
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so in short you would not accept any explanation pointing to obamacare.



That is, in fact, the opposite of what I said. I maintain that if someone wants to make the affirmative claim that Obamacare "killed" their business, they will have to prove it. That's how logic works. I try my best to be open to having any and all of my beliefs and opinions proved wrong. Otherwise, what's the point of arguing?






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The plan was designed to kill the current system. They make it cheaper to just cut out medical benefits...even Obama was telling the liberals that didn't like his plan, to give it time....socialized medicine taking baby steps....





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socialized medicine taking baby steps....


I hope so. I'm not the biggest fan of this bastardized version of healthcare reform. Rather than half-assing it, we should move to single payer, universal coverage.

If society places enough value on expanding access to healthcare, I think single payer is the only way to go. There are plenty of people who have different priorities, and they have plenty of valid arguments. I believe it is a question of cost/benefit...is the expense of universal healthcare worth the benefit of making sure everyone in America gets the care they need? I say yes.






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jcole4lsu
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we should move to single payer, universal coverage.

of course you believe that.


the biggest problem is the people advocating the above also advocate lenient immigration policies.
the two cannot coexist.






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the biggest problem is the people advocating the above also advocate lenient immigration policies.
the two cannot coexist.




Secure our borders. Create an easier path to legal immigration. Issue visas predicated on sustained employment and tax payment before extending a path to citizenship.






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Turbeauxdog
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Those are ad hominems. They generally hurt your arguments, so my advice to you would be to refrain from personal attacks whenever possible. Substantive, rational thought will get you farther. I sometimes have trouble following my own advice. It's tempting to name call on the internet. But it looks like you have real arguments to make, so stick to facts.


Fair enough and you aren't the first person to suggest as much

Eta, although I think the hopeless statement is accurate and therefore not ad hominem, the tool statement I concede



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jcole4lsu
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Secure our borders. Create an easier path to legal immigration. Issue visas predicated on sustained employment and tax payment before extending a path to citizenship.

unfortunately this is a far more reasonable policy basis than anything currently being pimped by either major party






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Secure our borders. Create an easier path to legal immigration. Issue visas predicated on sustained employment and tax payment before extending a path to citizenship.


This would help to solve alot more problems in addition to health care,






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