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Open that link you will notice that every one is backed up by multiple news outlets.


Says the guy that posted "lies" from gop.com. You can play this game all day long.

Seriously "Move heaven and Earth"

Do you believe that Romney and Ryan have not told a "lie" this entire campaign? Do you just overlook those?



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LIE #3: BIDEN CLAIMED HIS PREDECESSOR’S POLICIES CAUSED THE RECESSION


You think this is a lie? There is no help for people like you then.






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You think this is a lie? There is no help for people like you then.


So the housing market crash rests fully with the previous administration? Seriously?






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jcole4lsu
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You think this is a lie? There is no help for people like you then.


if you think bush's tax cuts had more to do with the bubble than democrats idiotic policies (looking directly at folks like barney frank) than there is no hope for you.






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RTR America
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You think this is a lie? There is no help for people like you then.


I'm just going to post this again I guess

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THE CLAIM: Biden Claimed The Recession Was Caused By The War Spending, Medicare Drug Benefit, And Tax Cuts. BIDEN: “And, by the way, they talk about this Great Recession if it fell out of the sky, like, ‘Oh, my goodness, where did it come from?’ It came from this man [Ryan] voting to put two wars on a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. I was there. I voted against them. I said, ‘No, we can’t afford that.’” (Vice President Joe Biden, Vice Presidential Debate, Danville, KY, 10/11/12)
THE FACTS: “Biden Was Reaching… The Downturn Was Primarily Due To The Collapse Of Financial Markets.” “Biden was reaching. While many factors contributed to the deep recession between December, 2007 and June 2009, the downturn was primarily due to the collapse of financial markets amid a tidal wave of bad debts, over borrowing by consumers and businesses and a wildly over-valued housing market.” (“Fact Check: US Vice Presidential Debate,” Reuters, 10/12/12)

Also Biden voted for all 3 things he said caused the recession






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RTR America
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Says the guy that posted "lies" from gop.com. You can play this game all day long.

Seriously "Move heaven and Earth"


All they did was gather information from different news companies around the country or did you just ignore that part. Again tell which one of these lies is not a lie?






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GoCrazyAuburn
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It's not a lie because he meant for it to be the truth.





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Catman88
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is that the recession was caused by the current admin. Am I reading that wrong?


Do you have a clue what caused the recession? It wasnt any single administration. Pretty much a melting pot of frickups by both parties in DC and banks looking to make profit.

The claim that the predecessor's policies is what caused the recession is false. Hell GWB was even yelling at Congress about something needing to be done about it! How do we just forget that the Democrats controlled both houses during the entire mess? Which included both Obama and Biden.






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First person to pull a Malarkey in an argument wins.. There is no counter to the Malarkey. Its over.

ETA: Sometimes "that's a bunch of stuff" can be an effective counter to malarkey!



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All caps? Seriously?


Thats your retort?

So what did you do after the debate last night Joe?






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Thats your retort?


No, just asking why it seriously had to be in all caps. It's normally frowned upon.



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WaveHog
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your link doesn't work for me so i'll just address the titles you have posted

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LIE #1: BIDEN CLAIMED THE WHITE HOUSE DIDN’T KNOW THE LIBYAN EMBASSY WANTED MORE SECURITY: “MAYBE BIDEN WAS TOO BUSY IN DEBATE PREP…”

depends on if you want to conflate "state dept" with "White House". Obama and Biden specifically did not receive the request or know about the requests. Apparently they went through the state dept and didn't go any higher up.

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/261719-report-biden-didnt-know-about-security-requests-in-libya

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LIE #2: BIDEN CLAIMED MEDICARE’S ACTUARY DID NOT SAY HOSPITALS WOULD GO OUT OF BUSINESS DUE TO OBAMACARE’S CUTS TO MEDICARE

"Ryan misquoted a Medicare official as saying “one out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business” as a result of the Affordable Care Act. Not quite. The official said that many could become “unprofitable,” and the the situation could be monitored to head off bad outcomes"

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/veep-debate-violations/

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LIE #3: BIDEN CLAIMED HIS PREDECESSOR’S POLICIES CAUSED THE RECESSION

this is a matter of opinion. point to clinton, point to fnma, point to gramm-leach bliley and the repeal of glass-steagal. there isn't a definitive answer and plenty of conflicting opinions.
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LIE #4: BIDEN CLAIMED THE JOINT CHIEFS SUPPORTED OBAMA’S TIMETABLE FOR REMOVING SURGE TROOPS FROM IRAQ

"Vice President Joe Biden's assertion in the vice presidential debate that the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff supported the timetable for removing the so-called surge force from Afghanistan was accurate -- but not the complete story"

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fact-check-vp-debate-afghanistan-20121011,0,3385980.story

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LIE #5: BIDEN PUSHED BACK ON THE ACCUSATION THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CALLED SYRIA DICTATOR ASSAD A REFORMER


okay, can partially agree here:
"Early in the bloody Syrian uprising Hillary Clinton called Assad a “different leader” who many in Congress believe is “a reformer.”

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/veep-debate-violations/

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LIE #6-8

need to know the context of the quotes.
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LIE #9: BIDEN CLAIMED THERE WAS NO WASTE OR ABUSE OF STIMULUS MONEY

would need to see the quote. i remember biden saying it wasn't as wasteful and abusive as Ryan was implying, but i don't remember him sayin "none" except for the accusations of cronyism.

will get to more later, but...
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LIE #13: BIDEN CLAIMED ROMNEY WANTED DETROIT TO GO BANKRUPT

i get that there is a difference between what is perceived by "let them go bankrupt" and the intent behind "they should restructure in bankruptcy rather than receive government bailouts " but... dude wrote an article called "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"




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Catman88
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depends on if you want to conflate "state dept" with "White House". Obama and Biden specifically did not receive the request or know about the requests. Apparently they went through the state dept and didn't go any higher up.


WOWWWWW thats as big of a stretch I have ever seen.


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this is a matter of opinion


No its simply NOT and opinion. Biden made a statement and didnt offer up an opinion. The only way that would have been remotely factual if if he said "some policies contributed to" he clearly did not.



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RTR America
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depends on if you want to conflate "state dept" with "White House". Obama and Biden specifically did not receive the request or know about the requests. Apparently they went through the state dept and didn't go any higher up.


Yes but there was a congressional hearing on this just the other day.....

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this is a matter of opinion. point to clinton, point to fnma, point to gramm-leach bliley and the repeal of glass-steagal. there isn't a definitive answer and plenty of conflicting opinions.


But what Biden blamed it on 3 things he actually voted for






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Fact checking the vice-presidential debate

In depth on both sides, very well done.

Old man Joe still lost.






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I hate factcheckers. They are second rate opinion columns.





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LSU Patrick
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Wow. That's a bunch of stuff right there.





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SportTiger1
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LIE #16: BIDEN CLAIMED OBAMA ONLY WANTS TO RAISE TAXES ON MILLIONAIRES


I can't beleive Romney/Ryan haven't been shouting this lie from the rooftops.

It is directly contradicting the President's plan to raise taxes for >250k. Hard to screw this one up.






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WaveHog
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No its simply NOT and opinion. Biden made a statement and didnt offer up an opinion. The only way that would have been remotely factual if if he said "some policies contributed to" he clearly did not.

link didn't work for me so i didn't know the context. if he blamed tax cuts and war spending for the recession then yeah, that's wrong and not even a plausible explanation.






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It is directly contradicting the President's plan to raise taxes for >250k. Hard to screw this one up.
Doesn't Obamacare also raise taxes on the middle class? Something like 12 of the 21 tax increases affect the middle class? Not sure if that's true.






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