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VOR 
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:01 pm to TheOcean)
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I'm saying the individual cannot pick and choose where his/her tax money goes
Yep. This ain't no cafeteria, brah.
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TheOcean 
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:01 pm to Wild Thang)
Yup. And clearly if one of your biggest issues is govt funding abortion you should be voting for Mitt 
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Wild Thang 
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:03 pm to TheOcean)
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And clearly if one of your biggest issues is govt funding abortion you should be voting for Mitt
It's not. The economy is. The last few pages were on this subject. Please don't put words in my mouth. 
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Wild Thang
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:03 pm to VOR)
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Yep. This ain't no cafeteria, brah.
"I was undecided for awhile"
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Tiger in NY
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:03 pm to Wild Thang)
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It's not. The economy is. The last few pages were on this subject. Please don't put words in my mouth
Yeah, we can move on.
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Elcid96
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:04 pm to Tiger in NY)
It is in our constitution to have a funded military, please show me where it states we should pay for abortions and birth control or half of the other bs?
TIA
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Wild Thang
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:05 pm to Elcid96)
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It is in our constitution to have a funded military, please show me where it states we should pay for abortions and birth control or half of the other bs?
I was pretty sure about this, but I've had a few drinks.
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TheOcean
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:08 pm to Wild Thang)
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to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
General Welfare Clause
This post was edited on 10/11 at 10:09 pm
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Wild Thang
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:12 pm to TheOcean)
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General Welfare Clause
And that would include an abortion? That's a stretch. But, anyway, I'll move on from this whole charade of abortion being an issue in this election.
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TheOcean
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:13 pm to Wild Thang)
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Elcid96
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:16 pm to TheOcean)
General welfare includes killing a fetus?
Birth control?
Hell I guess in your mind free cable phone and TV's should be free .... Oh well never mind they are!!
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McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:29 pm to VOR)
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I'm saying the individual cannot pick and choose where his/her tax money goes
Yep. This ain't no cafeteria, brah.
wha? You guys are on the right track to a truly profound statist circle jerk.
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Mahootney
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:36 pm to TheOcean)
Biden gave this away with BS like general lies, rambling, and "my friend" comments.
It's sad that he doesn't have much of a platform to debate from.
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dolamite
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:52 pm to Mahootney)
Just a point of information. Our Constitution does not say "to provide for the general welfare", it says to "promote" the general welfare.
And there's a big difference between the two.
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MaximumTiger
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 11:20 pm to dolamite)
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Just a point of information. Our Constitution does not say "to provide for the general welfare", it says to "promote" the general welfare. And there's a big difference between the two.
I don't believe the writers of the Constitution were thinking government financial assistance but rather the good fortune, health and happiness of the citizen.
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Queen
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 11:28 pm to MaximumTiger)
I missed the thread because I was out and had to watch recorded.
So I'm late. But I am so pissed at the second to last question on Catholics and abortion. Abortion I understand them talking about. But to come at it from the religious standpoint made it the worst damn question I've ever heard asked. Especially seeing the candidates try to pander. As a catholic and a woman, bull shite.
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Bard 
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/11/12 at 11:39 pm to Queen)
Not going to belabor or debate, I thought Joe got the best of this one.
Dammit.
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MrCoachKlein 
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/12/12 at 12:20 am to Bard)
Joe acted like a kid that missed out on his screwball at the ice cream truck. Without a doubt one of the most unprofessional rants I've ever seen. I'm sure that the Obama admins wanted him to come out swinging, but bet your arse that they are upset about how he handled himself
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PortCityMadMan 
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:02 am to MaximumTiger)
Does anyone know if there has been a lawsuit brought on this one thing yet? Seems like it would be something the USSC would knock down. Not sure they can challenge specifics of the health care bill but that certainly seems like something that could end up before the court.
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TheOcean
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| re: The OFFICIAL Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Paul Ryan vs. Joe Biden (Posted on 10/12/12 at 4:56 am to dolamite)
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the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power,[4][6] but a qualification on the taxing power[4][7][8] which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.[4][9][10]
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