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Kracktastic 
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:13 pm to wickowick)
Could someone explain what this means in simple terms for the simple minded?
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Queen
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:15 pm to RTR America)
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They also said there are a lot of foreign donations which is illegal
So I personally know of a German citizen (living in the US) who donated to Obama in 2008 because he wanted easy citizenship and health care. He maintained his EU passport bc of the health care he could get with it.
Does living in the US provide a loophole or is this guy part of the problem?
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theunknownknight
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:18 pm to RTR America)
Here are the facts:
1. The Obama campaign was busted and warned and told to use the CVV code in 2008. ie this happened before.
2. The Obama campaign refused to use the CVV code in 2011-12 for donations but NOT FOR MERCHANDISE. ie they turned on the functionality on part of their website and INTENTIONALLY OFF on the donation piece.
3. Now only 2% of their donations are traceable.
This post was edited on 10/8 at 9:19 pm
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gatorrocks 
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:26 pm to RTR America)
Wait, so Obama is outsourcing fundraising to China?
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RTR America 
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:27 pm to theunknownknight)
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Here are the facts:
1. The Obama campaign was busted and warned and told to use the CVV code in 2008. ie this happened before.
2. The Obama campaign refused to use the CVV code in 2011-12 for donations but NOT FOR MERCHANDISE. ie they turned on the functionality on part of their website and INTENTIONALLY OFF on the donation piece.
3. Now only 2% of their donations are traceable.
4. They lack the required firewalls to prevent foreign donations
5. Foreign bloggers have been compiling list since 08 of emails to send links to foreign donors
I honestly see a lot the Obama camp being in some serious ish if he loses. This plus F&F and Libya cover up.
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udtiger
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:27 pm to theunknownknight)
DOJ is all over this...
...Just as soon as they finish fighting Voter ID laws in SC and PA.
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RTR America
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:31 pm to udtiger)
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Robert Roche, a bundler for President Barack Obama's campaign who once owned the mysterious Obama.com redirect site, was a part of the U.S. delegation to China during Vice President Joe Biden's five-day visit to China in 2011
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udtiger
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:34 pm to RTR America)
Didn't you hear? Paul Ryan had the temerity to leave an interview that was over!
We don't have time to talk about irrelevant shit!
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LSUGrrrl
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:59 pm to theunknownknight)
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1. The Obama campaign was busted and warned and told to use the CVV code in 2008. ie this happened before.
This is what I was looking for. Was he warned? What was he warned of? Sorry, I got lost in the rabbit holes following all the links from page to page.
This is a big issue that needs to be addressed everywhere in our government. However, the Obama campaign drives great deal of traffic & $$$ this way so the impact is much greater. Was he actually told to not do this & he did or did it raise a couple eyebrows & then ignored? An insignificant detail to most, I'm sure but my brain needs to know this.
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ReauxlTide222
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:06 pm to Kracktastic)
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Could someone explain what this means in simple terms for the simple minded?
Edited because I barely know what I'm talking about.
This post was edited on 10/8 at 11:38 pm
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theunknownknight
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:09 pm to ReauxlTide222)
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The three digit number on the back of a credit card helps identify who uses the card I'm guessing. To buy merchandise from Obama.com you have to use it. To verify who you are. You don't have to though to donate money to him. But by law you have to. They got in trouble in 08 for this too. Now it looks like they might e getting money from out of the country. That's BAD BAD BAD.
the CVV code is used to block foreign donors in this case. The Obama camp turned the CVV requirement off (warned and told to use this) on their donation website so overseas donations (which is illegal) could be made and not tracked.
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LSUGrrrl
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:12 pm to theunknownknight)
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the CVV code is used to block foreign donors in this case.
But is this illegal on its own or does it only become illegal if a non eligible person contributes? And who issued the warning in 2008?
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RTR America
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:13 pm to ReauxlTide222)
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That's BAD BAD BAD.
AND ILLEGAL
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theunknownknight
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:13 pm to LSUGrrrl)
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This is what I was looking for. Was he warned? What was he warned of? Sorry, I got lost in the rabbit holes following all the links from page to page.
This issue was investigated in 2008. The result was they were reminded to turn the CVV code requirement ON.
Now, they have it on for half their website (for selling merchandise) but the CVV requirement is OFF for donations. That means they have the functionality in place and INTENTIONALLY turned it off to accept donations. The obvious question is why, ESP when half of the Obama.com traffic comes from overseas (ESP China)
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theunknownknight
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:20 pm to RTR America)
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68% OF TRAFFIC TO ANONYMOUSLY REGISTERED OBAMA.COM IS FOREIGN: ACCORDING TO INDUSTRY LEADING WEB ANALYTICS SITE MARKOSWEB, AN ANONYMOUSLY REGISTERED REDIRECT SITE (OBAMA.COM) FEATURES 68 % FOREIGN TRAFFIC. STARTING IN DECEMBER 2011, THE SITE WAS LINKED TO A SPECIFIC DONATION PAGE ON THE OFFICIAL BARACKOBAMA.COM CAMPAIGN WEBSITE FOR TEN MONTHS. THE PAGE LOADED A TRACKING NUMBER, 634930, INTO A SPACE ON THE WEBSITE LABELED “WHO ENCOURAGED YOU TO MAKE THIS DONATION.” THAT TRACKING NUMBER IS EMBEDDED IN THE SOURCE CODE FOR OBAMA.COM AND IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE OBAMA VICTORY FUND. IN EARLY SEPTEMBER 2012, THE PAGE BEGAN REDIRECTING TO THE STANDARD OBAMA VICTORY FUND DONATION PAGE.
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LSUGrrrl
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:22 pm to theunknownknight)
I'm not defending Obama. I'm truly trying to understand. Is turning off the CVV functionality illegal or against known ethical practice? WHO warned him? Obama's team gives the same excuse for WHY that they use for fighting voter id - bc it makes it too hard for some to contribute - which is even more laughable in this circumstance. However, they DO offer a legitimate reason for why they turned the CVV functionality on for the merchandise purchases - bc the vendor providing (products?) required it.
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Queen
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:23 pm to RTR America)
What makes an ineligible donor?
German citizen residing in US that I mentioned?
Felon who already can't vote?
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LSUGrrrl
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:29 pm to LSUGrrrl)
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I'm not defending Obama. I'm truly trying to understand. Is turning off the CVV functionality illegal or against known ethical practice? WHO warned him? Obama's team gives the same excuse for WHY that they use for fighting voter id - bc it makes it too hard for some to contribute - which is even more laughable in this circumstance. However, they DO offer a legitimate reason for why they turned the CVV functionality on for the merchandise purchases - bc the vendor providing (products?) required it.
I ask this bc it whether or not this is considered best practice, if its not illegal all I can do is shake my head, file under character and demand changes to the law. However, it does raise some very important follow up questions that are really the issue:
1) Does the Obama campaign have effective and measurable protocol in place to ensure non eligible people do not donate to his campaign through this site and
2) Are members of his team properly trained in all aspects required to ensure that they follow all protocol and
3) Is that protocol followed every time?
If turning off the CVV functionality is illegal on its own, then he's just screwed.
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wickowick
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:30 pm to Queen)
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The ban on political contributions and expenditures by foreign nationals was first enacted in 1966 as part of the amendments to the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), an "internal security" statute. The goal of the FARA was to minimize foreign intervention in U.S. elections by establishing a series of limitations on foreign nationals. These included registration requirements for the agents of foreign principals and a general prohibition on political contributions by foreign nationals. In 1974, the prohibition was incorporated into the Federal Election Campaign Act (the FECA), [HTML] [PDF] giving the Federal Election Commission (FEC) jurisdiction over its enforcement and interpretation.
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The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.
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wickowick
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| re: GAI Report Finds OBAMA.COM owned by Bundler in Shanghai (pg 2 for link) (Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:32 pm to Queen)
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What makes an ineligible donor?
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Who is a Foreign National?
The following groups and individuals are considered "foreign nationals" and are, therefore, subject to the prohibition:
Foreign governments;
Foreign political parties;
Foreign corporations;
Foreign associations;
Foreign partnerships;
Individuals with foreign citizenship; and
Immigrants who do not have a "green card.
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