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TIGERSandFROGS
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(...) there are far fewer medical rounds being conducted for second year students than the administration would like.


Only in recent years have students even set foot inside the hospital, much less participate on rounds.

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The only way to learn in medicine is by doing, and these cuts are threatening to produce medical professionals that are not adequately trained.


(I think you said a few pages back that you're a student, so I'm going to operate on that assumption)

Your attendings disagree with you. A prominent surgery professor is keen about saying "the OR is the last place you should be learning how to do a procedure." i.e. know your shite before you set foot in the OR. Nothing will ever replace getting blood on your gloves from a learning standpoint, but it's definitely not the only way ot learn and should be the last step in learning something. As an example, did you learn how to tie knots in the OR with a patient sitting there with an open abdomen? No, you learn knot tying outside of the OR and you perfect it there, then you show it off in the OR once it's honed.






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Winkface
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Not only that but the residencies that are here will have a difficult time recruiting top talent, from in state and out of state. Then residents will not get the same standard of training that they have been getting. That means the quality of practicing doctors here will decline.





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Dumplin
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so med students from LSU will be less competitive when applying for residency?

residency programs will look unfavorably upon the students coming from lsu because they know they have less experience?

That is a possibility. The big risk is LSU School of Medicine losing its accreditation. My hope is that the administration will not let that happen, but there is a limit to how much the system can withstand in such a short amount of time.

Medical students cannot simply transfer medical schools. I am not really sure what would happen if your school loses accreditation in the middle of your education, as it is pretty unprecedented. But it would essentially entail $100,000 and 3 years of your life invested in learning a ridiculous amount of information all for a worthless diploma from a defunct institution.






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Dumplin
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Only in recent years have students even set foot inside the hospital, much less participate on rounds.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

If you are referring to 2nd year medical students only, it may be a relatively recent trend, but is still widely accepted and LSU is far behind the curve relative to other medical schools.
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A prominent surgery professor is keen about saying "the OR is the last place you should be learning how to do a procedure." i.e. know your shite before you set foot in the OR. Nothing will ever replace getting blood on your gloves from a learning standpoint, but it's definitely not the only way ot learn and should be the last step in learning something. As an example, did you learn how to tie knots in the OR with a patient sitting there with an open abdomen? No, you learn knot tying outside of the OR and you perfect it there, then you show it off in the OR once it's honed.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I should clarify. Of course you do not stroll into an OR and start slicing away. You have to know your clinical medicine. But most clinical skills are developed after seeing hundreds of patients.

For example, do you want the OB resident delivering your child to be on his 20th delivery or his 200th delivery? Not to mention foundation skills like performing complete physical exams, neurological exams, heart and lung exams, etc.



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Adam Banks
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The big risk is LSU School of Medicine losing its accreditation. My hope is that the administration will not let that happen, but there is a limit to how much the system can withstand in such a short amount of time.



Good Lord. I mean Im upset about this as much as anyone but talk about an over exaggeration.






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TIGERSandFROGS
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That is a possibility. The big risk is LSU School of Medicine losing its accreditation. My hope is that the administration will not let that happen, but there is a limit to how much the system can withstand in such a short amount of time.

Medical students cannot simply transfer medical schools. I am not really sure what would happen if your school loses accreditation in the middle of your education, as it is pretty unprecedented. But it would essentially entail $100,000 and 3 years of your life invested in learning a ridiculous amount of information all for a worthless diploma from a defunct institution.



You accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about regarding how much time second year students at LSU spend in the hospital, when I myself was there just a couple of years ago, immediately after spouting something like this? You have absolutely no idea how LCME accreditation works if you think mid-way through medical school someone's MD that they haven't earned yet can become worthless. NOT. A. CLUE.






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TIGERSandFROGS
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Seriously, what is your roll in all of this? Are you a student? A resident? A professor? An outsider?

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Only in recent years have students even set foot inside the hospital, much less participate on rounds.


You have no idea what you are talking about.

If you are referring to 2nd year medical students only, it may be a relatively recent trend, but is still widely accepted and LSU is far behind the curve relative to other medical schools.



Actually, I know exactly what I am talking about. The second year Science and Practice of Medicine Course is what got 2nd year students into the hospital at LSUHSC and it hasn't been around that long. Also, second year students joining rounds in the hospital is not a mandatory activity. Students can ask attendings to join rounds and show up on their own time, but it's far from a part of the curriculum. Now, going to the hospital and doing practice H&Ps on willing patients is something that is mandatory and is done frequently throughout second year.


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You have no idea what you are talking about.


You're right, I have no idea what I'm talking about. Just as you said, and what I was responding to "The only way to learn medicine is by doing it". Clearly we should just throw people into the hospital on day one and let them start "doing medicine" because that's the only way you learn.


I've already asked who you are, but based on your pompous attitude and simultaneous ignorance of just about everything you're saying, I'm going to guess you're a second year student. I might stretch that and say third year since you'd only be a few months removed from being a second year and you may not have had someone demonstrate to you that you don't know shite about anything yet by somehow getting a bunch of cream puff attendings that are coddling you.



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TIGERSandFROGS
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Only in recent years have students even set foot inside the hospital, much less participate on rounds.


You have no idea what you are talking about.



Whoa. I think we need to slow this down. When proofreading my post, I accidentally deleted the words "second year" in front of students. That is totally my bad and where all this bickering is coming from.

Of course a medical school sends their students into the hospital.






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VerlanderBEAST
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dude sorry your parents made more choices, i really am, but its not my problem. im not asking people to make good decisions when they are 14-15 but by the time they are 18 everybody should realize what choices should be made to help them. Listen im not mad people are poor, there will always be poor, but most are there due to bad decisions both as a teenager and as an adult. In the end its none of my business though and I could care less I just dont want to have to give them my money that I work for. They didnt work for it, I did. I guess im an a-hole for asking everybody to pay for their own shelter, their health, their own food, their own everything. I know its a novel concept but personal responsibility is the direction this country needs to go in.


Its ok you don't understand. You were born on the 3rd base, people like you cry the loudest when you finally get smacked with some real adversity.

But for now you can continue spouting off your "personal responsibility/I can't pay taxes because I gots to buy a new shoe" mantra. Good thing most of the humane race has evolved past that thought.






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2ToughTiger
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Virginia
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Waiting4saturday, why is the name shaquanda? There are more white people on welfare. Shouldn't her name be Katie Lou?





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Dumplin
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New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2008
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Second years are currently required to join rounds in the hospital.

I don't know the ends and outs of LCME accreditation, but based on seeing huge reductions in funding for the past four years and constantly butting up against an atitude in this state that discredits the value of education and doesn't want to even recognize the potential dangers in haphazard cuts, I cannot help but worry about it potentially reaching the point to threaten accreditation. Especially requirements like

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ER-2. The present and anticipated financial resources of a medical education program must be adequate to sustain a sound program of medical education and to accomplish other programmatic and institutional goals.

ER-6. A medical education program must have, or be assured the use of, appropriate resources for the clinical instruction of its medical students.

ER-7. Each hospital or other clinical facility of a medical education program that serves as a major instructional site for medical student education must have appropriate instructional facilities and information resources.


I hear many assurances that it is a worst case scenario, but I have heard many empty assurances over the past four years.

I know you do not have an MD in the middle of medical school, but a discredited program would strip most value from your education.

I am glad you feel safe in the value of your education now that you are done or almost done; but I think some fear is warranted for someone who is just starting out and has spent his entire undergraduate career hearing news of budget cuts and cannot help but imagine an apparent future with more of the same. I may be exaggerating the urgency, but honestly I do not know. Like I said, just the past few years do not give me any sense of security in the stability of medical education in the state, or higher education in general.

Edit: And yes, I instantly assumed you were an idiot when you said, "Only in recent years have students even set foot inside the hospital"



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2ToughTiger
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Virginia
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Obamacare is coming to your town. Jindal is preparing for it. All the poor people in LA will go on Medicaid. He can't wait to get help for the uninsured. He claims he's against it but he knows as governor it will help the state. Don't be fooled by the bs. LA has to many uninsured poor people.





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TIGERSandFROGS
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Edit: And yes, I instantly assumed you were an idiot when you said, "Only in recent years have students even set foot inside the hospital"



Yeah, my bad. I get pretty verbose with writings so I often proofread what I type for clarity, run-ons, etc., and sometimes I cut things out when cutting and pasting. Not sure if that's what happened there, but I do it a lot so maybe.

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Second years are currently required to join rounds in the hospital.


I have yet to see this, but if you say so.

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I hear many assurances that it is a worst case scenario, but I have heard many empty assurances over the past four years.


Which assurances have been empty? And are you an L4?

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but I think some fear is warranted for someone who is just starting out and has spent HIS entire undergraduate career hearing news of budget cuts and cannot help but imagine an apparent future with more of the same.


Please tell me you aren't a male with a name like "Dumplin". Unless it's a poop reference, then that's acceptable.






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lsu xman
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I love how the U.S can send $1bil annually to countries like Egypt, but we can hardly even take care of our own people.


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LongueCarabine
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No for-profit chain wants to touch any hospital that has a majority of Caid patients.



Not sure what hopsital you work at, but where I work, we make a nice margin on Caid NICU babies, in fact we are always looking how to drive that business to our facilities.


Not a whole lot of hospitals have NICU's. Sure, the rates on some things under Caid are good. But most of the rates suck. And Medicare is heading in the same direction.

LC






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SuperDomed
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I was on the fence about going to LSU med and it pains me to say it, but at this point i'm glad I went elsewhere. I love Louisiana and plan to return one day but it appears teaching and retaining quality doctors is not on the agenda for the current administration. I certainly hope this doesn't hurt the med school and residency programs too drastically but this may just be false hope.





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lsu777
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Its ok you don't understand. You were born on the 3rd base, people like you cry the loudest when you finally get smacked with some real adversity.

But for now you can continue spouting off your "personal responsibility/I can't pay taxes because I gots to buy a new shoe" mantra. Good thing most of the humane race has evolved past that thought.




the average human has an IQ of less then 100, makes about $8,000 a year, believes in socialism/communism, and has a education level of a 5th grader. Congrats on being part of the majority

congrats on being a statiest and believing in state sponsored theft. really....congrats on that.


you still cant explain why its my problem and I should have to pay. judging by your responses, your iq fits right in with the average.

Please tell me why its my problem somebody is poor. being poor is a choice, or more correctly is a result of a life time of poor choices.


BTW again CONGRATS ON BEING PART OF THE MAJORITY






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Sid in Lakeshore
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congrats on being a statiest and believing in state sponsored theft. really....congrats on that.


shut up and pay your taxes....

Really, congrats on the rediculous personal attack, congrats on that.



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lsu777
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sorry just getting tired of his dumb arse "you were born on third base and dont understand" argument. Figured I would tell him congrats on all the things he believes in.





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LSUTil_iDie
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Jindals gonna Jindal?





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