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WaveHog
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i mean, come the frick on.

Number of Producible and Service Well Bores on Federal Land

FY2007 - 79,972
FY2011 - 90,452






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WaveHog
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n example of what they call a lie.
“Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year. And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.”
Why do they say it's a lie.
Affordable Care Act would actually expand health care coverage to 30 million Americans, despite Romney fear mongering.

Notice they conflate insurance and coverage. Romney's assessment is correct. People will lose their insurance.


nope. Your assessment is wrong, and Romney was lying. Politifact, reviewing the same quote, called it straight up false. LINK /

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he CBO study was undertaken to estimate the impact of the health care law on the number of people obtaining health care coverage from their employer. CBO came up with a "baseline" estimate -- its best guess. CBO settled on a range of 3 million to 5 million fewer non-elderly people obtaining coverage through their employer each year from 2019 through 2022 than would have been the case before the law was passed. Including those with individually purchased policies means a decline of an additional 1 million to 3 million Americans.

That’s nothing to sneeze at, but it’s quite a bit lower than 20 million. So where did 20 million come from?

CBO supplemented its "baseline" estimate with four alternative, and wildly divergent, estimates. One resulted in a net gain of 3 million people with employer-sponsored insurance. The other scenarios resulted in a decline of 10 million, a decline of 12 million, and -- here it is -- a decline of 20 million.

A number of other estimates by groups other than CBO have tracked with CBO’s baseline estimate, rather than with Romney’s figure. A study by the Urban Institute projected a decline of about 500,000 people. The Lewin Group predicted a decline of about 3 million people. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services actuary pegged the number at about 1 million fewer people. And the RAND Corp. projected that about 4 million more individuals would be covered by employment-based coverage by 2016.






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WaveHog
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Wavehog does not frick around. I learned that yesterday.




i like to make cogent arguments supported by data and facts, i'm basically the anti-CptBengal






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Rittdog
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He lied a little, told the truth a little. Just like any other politician.





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USMCTiger03
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also the higher taxes didn't hurt. please go learn something before posting.


Is Forbes a good source? If so, sounds like you could stand to learn something...

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One of the most dangerous myths that has infected the current debate over the direction of tax policy is the oft repeated claim that the tax increases under President Bill Clinton led to the boom of the 1990s. In their Wall Street Journal Op-Ed last Friday, for example, Clinton campaign manager James Carville and Democratic pollster and Clinton advisor Stanley Greenberg write the increase in the top tax rate to 39.6% “produced the one period of shared prosperity in this past era (since 1980).” While this myth is now a central part of liberal Democratic folklore, it is contradicted by the political disaster and poor economic results that followed the tax increase. The real lesson of the Clinton Presidency is the way back to prosperity lies not through increased taxes on “the rich,” but through tax and regulatory reform and a return to a rules based monetary policy that produces a strong and stable dollar.
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Tiger n Miami AU83
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i like to make cogent arguments supported by data and facts, i'm basically the anti-CptBengal


Yep, I have noticed.






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USMCTiger03
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8) “Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half.” Oil production from federal lands is higher, not lower: Production from federal lands is up slightly in 2011 when compared to 2007. And the oil and gas industry is sitting on 7,000 approved permits to drill, that it hasn’t begun exploring or developing.


seems like a straight out lie.


From ThinkProgress:
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About 96% of the increase took place on non-federal lands LINK
Difference between "all" and "96%"? Negligible and certainly not a "lie".






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WaveHog
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From ThinkProgress:
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About 96% of the increase took place on non-federal lands LINK
Difference between "all" and "96%"? Negligible and certainly not a "lie".


nobody was disputing that most if not close to all of the increase was on non-federal land. that just makes sense - i'm sure the vast, vast majority of oil exploration and extraction has always been on non-federal, private land.

the lie is:

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On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half.”


go back and look at the stats i posted. it is demonstrably false, unless there are numbers out there i'm missing. not only were the number of leases not "cut in half", but they've actually increased in number since Obama took office. big, big lie.






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USMCTiger03
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i'm sure the vast, vast majority of oil exploration and extraction has always been on non-federal, private land.
I don't think so. I think that is a result of increased regulation over the past few years from what I am reading.
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go back and look at the stats i posted. it is demonstrably false, unless there are numbers out there i'm missing. not only were the number of leases not "cut in half", but they've actually increased in number since Obama took office. big, big lie.


2006 - 4,014
2007 - 3,499
2008 - 2,416
=9929

2009 - 2,072
2010 - 1,308
2011 - 2,188
=5568

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WaveHog
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again. the quote:
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On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half.”

not the rate that new ones have been released, which is what you are showing. he said the total number has been cut in half. that's not even close to correct.

as it is, the total number of leases is up. number of productive wells is up significantly.






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USMCTiger03
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not the rate that new ones have been released, which is what you are showing. he said the total number has been cut in half. that's not even close to correct.
Are those your words or his?

I think you are substituting your words or interpretation.

You say "he didn't say new", well, he didn't say "existing" either.

So, it doesn't appear to be a "lie" at all, in fact, it appears correct or close to it.






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cahoots
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You say "he didn't say new", well, he didn't say "existing" either.

So, it doesn't appear to be a "lie" at all, in fact, it appears correct or close to it.


Exactly. He spoke ambiguously, like any good politician should. Both candidates were full of half truths last night.






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