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crimsonsaint
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I have stated time and time again, I care about tax policy and the debt/deficit. Tax policy in particular as I understand it pretty well.

Currently I think Romney's tax plan is a joke and is even worse than doing nothing. Therefore I attack it. And I confine my attacks to that single subject because it is the one I both understand the best and consider the most important.

Obama's tax plan I find reasonable and find that the math is at least based in reality. That is enough when the alternative is Romney's tax plan. If a 3rd candidate had one I liked better, I would be for candidate #3.


Explain it to us common folk. Leave your troll schtick out of it. Give us the positives and negatives of both of the candidates' tax plans. The floor is yours big guy.






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CRNA-KA
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because the Ryan plan, being the only one in writing we know of, takes $6400 from each person, on average. that money comes out of your pocket.

they intend to substitute PARTIAL payment in the new Voucher system, and transfer the obligation for the rest that the voucher will not pay up to, from the US treasury to your bank account.
They are balancing the budget on the backs of the retirees.
the voucher is not good for all bills, just go where you want.
its only good for a finite amount. the medicare plan as is, is more generous, estimated at $6,400 per person.




Otto, I work in the medical field and If the current Obama care system and Medicare isn't changed, Senior citizens won't have any doctors to take care of them. I know this first hand from speaking with Doctors. Cuts will be implemented and reimbursement to hospitals will decrease dramatically. The current reimbursement rate is already crap and they are wanting to decrease it even more. If a doctor took nothing but medicare, he wouldn't be able to keep a staff or pay overhead. For most of these Doctors, its the payer mix of commercial insurance that keep them in business.






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LSURussian
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Is this otto's imaginary housemate posting this?





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Toddy
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Romney told 27 myths in 38 minutes. I think this may be a new record.





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Tim
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Romney told 27 myths in 38 minutes. I think this may be a new record.


I suggest you look at the last 4 years if you want to see a record of myths






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Wild Thang
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Romney told 27 myths in 38 minutes. I think this may be a new record.


Obama was against gay marrying up until 2 months ago.






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CRNA-KA
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Romney told 27 myths in 38 minutes. I think this may be a new record.



All of Romney's ideas are just that, ideas. These are based on his business experience and his time as governor. I would happen to think that he knows what he is talking about and what can work for this country. He still has to be able to work with congress, both democrats and republicans and it has been shown that he is capable of doing this. This is something Obama hasn't been able to do.

BTW, what experience did Obama bring to the table in 2008?






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ottothewise
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Otto, I work in the medical field and If the current Obama care system and Medicare isn't changed, Senior citizens won't have any doctors to take care of them. I know this first hand from speaking with Doctors. Cuts will be implemented and reimbursement to hospitals will decrease dramatically. The current reimbursement rate is already crap and they are wanting to decrease it even more. If a doctor took nothing but medicare, he wouldn't be able to keep a staff or pay overhead. For most of these Doctors, its the payer mix of commercial insurance that keep them in business.



I understand your points. but rest assured, your points do not address the matter of voucher or not. I find that medicare's being able to negotiate lower prices helps me personally.

I feel that part of the solution to the issues you point to are two:
1. tort reform combined with publicizing incidents in an internet database we can all see any time, about all hospitals, and all MDs.
2. federal medical schools. we already needed MDs. this will just make that worse. too bad that Congress is so calcified, they wont do anything until its way too late, as though such a disaster is going to make some point. We need a federal medical school in every region. go to school, room and board, and books and laundry done on premises. all paid. then you serve in regions where MDs are fewest. you get out with experience, more training, and no debt. NO debt is going to be a big seller.







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Tim
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BTW, what experience did Obama bring to the table in 2008?


It doesn't matter as long as he supports gays...we could be in 6 wars, $30 trillion in debt, 40% unemployment, and $12 a gallon gas.... as long as the gays get their "rights" all is good...






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LSURussian
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Romney told 27 myths in 38 minutes. I think this may be a new record.

You have no idea how silly and immature your post makes you appear to be.......






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constant cough
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LSURussian
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Why don't you just have unicorns become doctors?

Are you drunk tonight?






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tiger1014
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#1 Theme today is "Romney lied"...so he didn't win anything.


What do they call the last four years?






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CRNA-KA
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I understand your points. but rest assured, your points do not address the matter of voucher or not. I find that medicare's being able to negotiate lower prices helps me personally


Lower prices at the expense of what, losing your provider? You seem to think that your choices will be limitless. Put yourself into this example.... You can't go see your original doctor because he doesn't take medicare anymore, therefore you have to go see someone else who you absolutely hate and is a terrible doctor but that is your only option because in your town, he is the only one that will treat you. You live in a small town and the next closest doctor is 40 miles away.

If you think the really good doctors are going to give their services away for nothing, your mistaken. What you will find is the Doctors who can't get good commercial paying patients, because they have a bad reputation, will get all those Medicare paying patients. Guess who one of those patients will be? That's right.... YOU!!






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BilJ
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Good Lord it's fun to see some of these guys scrambling now.





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RTR America
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Lower prices at the expense of what, losing your provider? You seem to think that your choices will be limitless. Put yourself into this example.... You can't go see your original doctor because he doesn't take medicare anymore, therefore you have to go see someone else who you absolutely hate and is a terrible doctor but that is your only option because in your town, he is the only one that will treat you. You live in a small town and the next closest doctor is 40 miles away.

If you think the really good doctors are going to give their services away for nothing, your mistaken. What you will find is the Doctors who can't get good commercial paying patients, because they have a bad reputation, will get all those Medicare paying patients. Guess who one of those patients will be? That's right.... YOU!!


You forgot that you will be confronted with an unelected board to decide your treatment.

There is proof of this already in how they will change kidney transplants. Instead of its current form it will go to whoever is the youngest on list.

Old people are fricked under Obamacare






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Tiger n Miami AU83
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crimsonsaint


Ok. I will give it a shot as best I can without any BS. I have done this before a while back and my only complaint is people often just come back with cute one liners and it really does not result in much substantive discussion, but rather quickly devolves into rhetoric and talking points at best, one-liners and insults at worst.

And I am guilty of the same as it is the quick and dirty easy way out after a time and we all get jaded and entrenched on this board regardless.

However, I will give it a shot in this thread. Probably tomorrow though when I can spend a little time on it since it is late for me now. Either when I get in the office in the morning or once I get some stuff done in the morning depending on what is on my plate at work.



This post was edited on 10/4 at 9:13 pm


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Wild Thang
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However, I will give it a shot in this thread.


Nice

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Probably tomorrow though when I can spend a little time on it since it is late for me now. Either when I get in the office in the morning or once I get some stuff done in the morning depending on what is on my plate at work.








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CRNA-KA
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I feel that part of the solution to the issues you point to are two:
1. tort reform combined with publicizing incidents in an internet database we can all see any time, about all hospitals, and all MDs.
2. federal medical schools. we already needed MDs. this will just make that worse. too bad that Congress is so calcified, they wont do anything until its way too late, as though such a disaster is going to make some point. We need a federal medical school in every region. go to school, room and board, and books and laundry done on premises. all paid. then you serve in regions where MDs are fewest. you get out with experience, more training, and no debt. NO debt is going to be a big seller.



I agree with the Tort reform but do you actually think your guy, Obama, will do anything with Tort reform?

The issue of Internal database is already being implemented and that is another added cost to existing practices. One of the physicians I know told me it cost him 50k to move to the electronic database. I think this is a good idea and would eliminate drug addicts doc hopping for drug and would streamline the system better than it is now. With that said, it all comes at an expense to Doctors.

I don't agree with Federal Medical schools because I believe the private market needs to educate our professionals. I just don't believe the federal government needs to get involved in educating Doctors. I see first hand the waste that goes on with the government own Hospitals. Plus, how many prospective doctors do you believe will get into the profession, knowing they will have to dedicate 10 years of their life to get educated to only come out making a mandated salary by the federal government?



This post was edited on 10/4 at 9:19 pm


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Alabama Slim
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re: Amazing how many Liberals have come back today and made


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I have stated time and time again, I care about tax policy and the debt/deficit. Tax policy in particular as I understand it pretty well.

Currently I think Romney's tax plan is a joke and is even worse than doing nothing. Therefore I attack it. And I confine my attacks to that single subject because it is the one I both understand the best and consider the most important.

Obama's tax plan I find reasonable and find that the math is at least based in reality. That is enough when the alternative is Romney's tax plan. If a 3rd candidate had one I liked better, I would be for candidate #3.



is this the tax plan where he is against extending the bush tax cuts after extending the bush tax cuts? giving huge tax breaks to the wealthy while publicly demagoging the wealthy?






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