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Boats n Hose
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NOLA
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re: Jindal shutting down LSU hospital system in order to privatize it


Average doesn't mean bad. It just means average.





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saderade
New Orleans Saints Fan
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
20790 posts

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Ochsner has one of the best neuro surgeons in the U.S. in Dr. Sulaiman.

Not even close to one of the best in the city. Actually not even the best at Ochsner. And while I would personally rather have surgery at Ochsner, I would rather see a board certified surgeon that trained in the LSU system. They get much better experience than someone that trained at Ochsner because they are allowed to do much more.






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Dumplin
LSU Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2008
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Why do people get all up in arms when we have cuts to education and hospital systems. At some point we have to be fricking financially responsible .


There is a difference between cutting spending in a way that is efficient and well planned, and just making planket cuts focussed entirely on only two aspects of state spending. There are many obstacles in place that limit possible cuts exclusively to education and healthcare. So instead of all state departments sharing in the burden of budget cuts, and thereby diluting the effect on any one department, we have massive and debilitating cuts to two departments. This is not fiscal responsibility. This irresponsible and shortsighted.






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DandyPimp
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New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
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I've heard that Ochsner is looking at LSU med in Shreveport and Children's Touro is looking at LSUNO. State is actively marketing their hospitals





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lsucoonass
LSU Fan
ft. stewart, ga
Member since Nov 2003
40657 posts

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i havent lived in la in a couple of years.

wouldnt it make better sense to make these cuts evenly spread throughout all the state departments?

or are the education and healtcare systems need that much change to them






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Oyster
LSU Fan
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
6919 posts

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There is a difference between cutting spending in a way that is efficient and well planned, and just making planket cuts focussed entirely on only two aspects of state spending. There are many obstacles in place that limit possible cuts exclusively to education and healthcare. So instead of all state departments sharing in the burden of budget cuts, and thereby diluting the effect on any one department, we have massive and debilitating cuts to two departments. This is not fiscal responsibility. This irresponsible and shortsighted.


Exactly right. Even worse the administration is using the current financial crisis to further their reform agenda.






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southernelite
Iowa State Fan
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2009
39944 posts

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or are the education and healtcare systems need that much change to them

The only two that aren't Constitutionally protected.






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Dumplin
LSU Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2008
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i havent lived in la in a couple of years.

wouldnt it make better sense to make these cuts evenly spread throughout all the state departments?

or are the education and healtcare systems need that much change to them

Yes that would make much more sense, but the rest of the state budget is tied up as "non-discretionary" spending. The only "discretionary" spending the state can legally cut is that allotted to higher education and healthcare. The rest tied up in things like salaries and pension plans for civil workers (teachers, police officers, etc). Everyone is too chicken shite to reform all those obligations, so instead they just slash education and healthcare every year.

Edit: And I don't say this with the idea that all those other obligations aren't important. But it makes more sense to dilute the cuts across a broad range of programs with intelligent discretion to determine where the cuts should be more drastic depending on what programs are more expendable and which programs can tolerate bigger cuts, etc. It is far more devastating to our state's future to debilitate higher education and healthcare while leaving everything else untouched.



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Scruffy
USA Fan
Member since Jul 2011
25843 posts

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And we don't have the money to pay for this shite. Make a choice, cut hospitals or raise your taxes.
Some of y'all make it sound like hospitals are the only things that could be cut. There are plenty of more deserving areas that could be cut.

What about the insane number of public colleges that we have? Let's cut them.

I am without a doubt biased, but it is quite idiotic to cut state medical facilities and teaching institutions.

Also, maybe someone can clarify this for me, but I've heard that the NOLA med institution was one of the main reasons for this. They were hemorrhaging money or something. Any truth to that?



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Dumplin
LSU Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2008
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What about the insane number of public colleges that we have? Let's cut them.

This is also a great point. These cuts are being forced upon higher education without giving Board of Regents and other administrative bodies the freedom to intelligently implement those cuts. So again, instead of intelligently reforming the system and fundamentally changing it to increase efficiency, we are destroying the quality of education at our most important and most productive universities.






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lsufan112001
Southeastern LA Fan
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
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Jindal is full of shite. He added 167 unclassified jobs to doa yesterday. He can add anyone at any salary.





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Draconian Sanctions
LSU Fan
Austin, TX
Member since Oct 2008
38347 posts

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The state is no longer in a budget deficit so this we have to make cuts stuff is no longer valid.





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Adam Banks
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District 5
Member since Sep 2009
4626 posts

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This makes me truly worried about medical education in this state. Though perhaps not big names in research etc. the lsu hospitals provide this state with clinical physicians that are battle tested and seen and done all due to having the experience that only comes from having treated a wide range of pathology in an environment with large amount of autonomy. That can only be truly found in a large, public hospital that is treating an indigent population.





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Adam Banks
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District 5
Member since Sep 2009
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Draconian Sanctions Jindal shutting down LSU hospital system in order to privatize it The state is no longer in a budget deficit so this we have to make cuts stuff is no longer valid.



This. All this is saying is that Jindal wants that secretary of HHS job






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VerlanderBEAST
Michigan Fan
Member since Dec 2011
11130 posts

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why should tax dollars cover lung or throat cancer that some poor SOB got from smoking 2 packs a day for 50 years?


They should all just die in a ditch right?






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DaSaltyTiger
LSU Fan
Alexandria/Pineville, LA area
Member since Dec 2004
4689 posts

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He received awesome care there.


The missions of public and private hospitals are not exactly the same. Public hospitals are training grounds. Much of your research also occurs at public teaching hospitals. Yes, public hospitls take care of folks that the private ones just as soon not.

I recall back in 1978 when I was on staff at E.A. Conway our getting a gunshot victim who had laid at a local private hospital for the better part of four hours before they decided to send him to us because he had no insurance. They did some basic stabilization and that was it. Again, keep in mind that this was 1978. Long story short, the patient died. We were not able to do the surgery and had to send him to LSUS. If we could have gotten him 3 hrs earlier, he might have made it, although we will never know.

Many times I have known folks who used the charity system and the care was quite comparable and compassionate.

Other states also have "public hospitals". They are under county or municipal ownership. We are unique in that we have a statewide network of public hospitals. However, the other states also have public hospitals. They are just packaged a little differently.






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Oyster
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North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
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This. All this is saying is that Jindal wants that secretary of HHS job


Best reason I've seen yet to vote Romney.






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DaSaltyTiger
LSU Fan
Alexandria/Pineville, LA area
Member since Dec 2004
4689 posts

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If that would get that little bastard out of this state, then I am all for it.

I am really surprised that no one has tried to shoot that little bastard. Lord knows he's pissed enough folks off.






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makinskrilla
Northwestern St. Fan
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jun 2009
6962 posts

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Yeah, this is going to suck.





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meangene323
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
290 posts

re: Jindal shutting down LSU hospital system in order to privatize it


i am ok with cutting services to cut spending because you dont have the funds to pay the services, but do people actually believe that if you can fire public employees and hire a private company to provide the same services at a lower cost?





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