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ottothewise 
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:05 pm to glaucon)
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Furthermore, the North American energy independence plan is just nonsense. It wont effect prices.
correct if there are no vast policy changes.
I see some noise that the D's are opposing shipping natural gas overseas.
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CptBengal 
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:06 pm to Hugo Stiglitz)
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What are you like 14?
Only a fricking child would call another poster a moron three times over the internet in a single post.
this is the weak sauce you bring? Really Help Board whiner....I mean it's fun slapping you around, but it's like playing dodgeball with kindergartners, it's just not fair to you.
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Why don't you name call and deflect some more since you're kinda getting humiliated and exposed in this thread as being a total hypocrite.
Lulz. it's ok champ. It'll get better for you, Obama got you that phone!
ETA: what's truly hilarious is you reference some other poster's post and then claim it as your victory...  pathetic.
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thekingfish225
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:31 pm to CptBengal)
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why do you think clinton had a budget surplus?
couldnt be the economic boom...could it?
fail again hugo.
also the higher taxes didn't hurt. please go learn something before posting.
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CptBengal
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:33 pm to thekingfish225)
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also the higher taxes didn't hurt.
and why were they able to raise taxes...even Obama and Clinton agree that raising taxes in a struggling economy is a dumb idea.
they were able to raise them because they had an economic boom.
The tax increase didnt create the economic boom, nor did it have nearly the same measurable effect of the dotcom bubble.
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please go learn something before posting.
back atcha champ.
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thekingfish225
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:36 pm to WaveHog)
give it up all of you WaveHog just crushed you all and the awesome part was he told the truth to do it. BOOM
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Hugo Stiglitz
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:39 pm to thekingfish225)
pretty much.
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BigBoyTiger
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:42 pm to thekingfish225)
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give it up all of you WaveHog just crushed you all and the awesome part was he told the truth to do it. BOOM
Good God...use some fricking punctuation, man.
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BigBoyTiger
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:45 pm to BigBoyTiger)
The way I see things are this:
Both sides can claim what they want, but here are the simple facts:
GDP grew 1.3% last quarter. That is terrible.
Unemployment is at 8.1% (it's actually much higher; if you include "discouraged workers" it's probably 15-20%)
Labor participation rate is the worst in the history of this country.
30% of people are on some form of government assistance.
Our national debt has gone from $10.5 trillion to $16 trillion and counting.
We haven't had a budget in three years.
These are facts. They are indisputable facts.
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CptBengal
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:46 pm to WaveHog)
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That study, produced by a right-wing advocacy organization, doesn’t analyze what Obama has actually proposed.
it's a,lie because thinkprogress says it is?
how about actual facts.
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Romney’s plan to shift the country to a territorial tax system would allow corporations to do business and make profits overseas without ever being taxed on it in the United States. This encourages American companies to invest abroad and could cost the country up to 800,000 jobs.
Do they have links to any of this stuff, or are they just posting talking points? limiting the tax on money will allow it to flow back, even Tiger Au 83 agrees.
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Here is how Romney’s Medicare plan will affect current seniors:
He specifically his plan excludes current seniors.
Bull shite talking point.
These are all just lies...no facts, no links, no references...nothing but talking points.
the best part is mouth breathers like hugo think they're "facts"
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BigBoyTiger
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:49 pm to CptBengal)
A reminder for you bloviators in this thread...the only facts that matter are the ones listed a few posts up.
Can't spin those either way. They are indisputable facts.
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Hugo Stiglitz
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:53 pm to BigBoyTiger)
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A reminder for you bloviators in this thread...the only facts that matter are the ones listed a few posts up.
Can't spin those either way. They are indisputable facts.
Yes, but the facts you presented have nothing to do with the question and objective of the OP which is...
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Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many...
Again, I don't like Obama, at all.
However, Romney is full of shite sometimes too.
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BigBoyTiger
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 3:54 pm to Hugo Stiglitz)
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Yes, but the facts you presented have nothing to do with the question and objective of the OP which is...
They are the only facts that matter. They are the only facts I would use in the debate.
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WaveHog 
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Member since May 2008
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 4:09 pm to CptBengal)
funny how you ignore a vast majority of the points, especially the ones that are straight out obvious lies. even funnier, your minimal attacks are wrong, too.
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has actually proposed.
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it's a,lie because thinkprogress says it is?
how about actual facts.
the actual fact is that Romney cited a report that didn't analyze Obama's actual proposal, hence it was a lie to say the study showed job loss due to obama's proposals. how is that not a lie?
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Do they have links to any of this stuff, or are they just posting talking points
they do have links. click on the thinkprogress article. see the underlined words? those are links!
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He specifically his plan excludes current seniors.
Bull shite talking point.
do you know how much medicaid is spent on nursing homes? and Romney's plan would cut medicaid by up to 44%. so, yes, that is a major affect on current seniors.
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These are all just lies...no facts, no links, no references...nothing but talking points.
attack two (edit: actually i guess 3 of the 20 or so) and give up, huh? and don't even disprove them?
there are links in almost every single one of the arguments. you apparently didn't look.
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the best part is mouth breathers like hugo think they're "facts"
and mouth-breathers like you will derp along stating things aren't "facts" (despite there being actual links with proof), and do so without offering a single fact or argument yourself beyond useless name calling.
i don't think i've ever seen you engage in meaningful debate (i.e. an actual respectful exchange of ideas) on here. kudos, at least you're consistent with your trolling.
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CptBengal
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 4:16 pm to WaveHog)
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funny how you ignore a vast majority of the points,
I got bored with reading someone's opinion as fact.
They offered no information, no links, no studies...NOTHING.
Just stating something without references or facts doesnt make it true.
Why didn't they reference the study, point out the flaws?
It's ridiculous.
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Bobby Moore
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 4:20 pm to CptBengal)
You must have not hear Obama speak all those lies last night. I did not hear one from Romney. Just wishing.
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TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
89057 posts
| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 4:44 pm to glaucon)
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He also promised a turn back to realism in foreign policy, which I personally believed he delivered on.
By bombing more countries?
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WaveHog
Arkansas Fan
Austin, TX
Member since May 2008
4312 posts
| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 4:47 pm to CptBengal)
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They offered no information, no links, no studies...NOTHING.
there is a link, sometimes multiple, provided in almost every single statement in the thinkprogress article.
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ljhog
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Member since Apr 2009
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 5:05 pm to Y.A. Tittle)
An example of what they call a lie.
“Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year. And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.”
Why do they say it's a lie.
Affordable Care Act would actually expand health care coverage to 30 million Americans, despite Romney fear mongering.
Notice they conflate insurance and coverage. Romney's assessment is correct. People will lose their insurance.
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Tiger n Miami AU83 
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Member since Oct 2007
25579 posts
| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 5:08 pm to thekingfish225)
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give it up all of you WaveHog just crushed you all and the awesome part was he told the truth to do it. BOOM
I just clicked on the last page of this thread for the first time today.
Gonna have to check out what the piglet had to say.
Wavehog does not frick around. I learned that yesterday.
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WaveHog
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| re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many... (Posted on 10/4/12 at 5:17 pm to Catman88)
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8) “Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half.” Oil production from federal lands is higher, not lower: Production from federal lands is up slightly in 2011 when compared to 2007. And the oil and gas industry is sitting on 7,000 approved permits to drill, that it hasn’t begun exploring or developing.
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I would rate it as a half truth
2007 ~3500 leases
2008 ~2400
2009 ~2100
2010 ~1500
2011 ~2050
LINK
am i missing something? what you list is the number of new leases issued. the fact that new leases are in fact issued shows the number of permits and licenses is increasing each year.
Total number of leases in effect
FY2007 - 48,933
FY2011 - 49,173
Producing leases on federal land
FY2007 - 21,680
FY2011 - 22,682
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