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WaveHog
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10) “That’s why the National Federation of Independent Businesses said your plan will kill 700,000 jobs. I don’t want to kill jobs in this environment.” That study, produced by a right-wing advocacy organization, doesn’t analyze what Obama has actually proposed.

lie.
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11) “What we do have right now is a setting where I’d like to bring money from overseas back to this country.” Romney’s plan to shift the country to a territorial tax system would allow corporations to do business and make profits overseas without ever being taxed on it in the United States. This encourages American companies to invest abroad and could cost the country up to 800,000 jobs.

lie.
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14) “What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare.” Here is how Romney’s Medicare plan will affect current seniors: 1) by repealing Obamacare, the 16 million seniors receiving preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving $3.9 billion on prescription drugs will see a cost increase, 2) “premium support” will increase premiums for existing beneficiaries as private insurers lure healthier seniors out of the traditional Medicare program, 3) Romney/Ryan would also lower Medicaid spending significantly beginning next year, shifting federal spending to states and beneficiaries, and increasing costs for the 9 million Medicare recipients who are dependent on Medicaid.

half-lie.
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18) “But I wouldn’t designate five banks as too big to fail and give them a blank check. That’s one of the unintended consequences of Dodd-Frank… We need to get rid of that provision because it’s killing regional and small banks. They’re getting hurt.” The law merely says that the biggest, systemically risky banks need to abide by more stringent regulations. If those banks fail, they will be unwound by a new process in the Dodd-Frank law that protects taxpayers from having to pony up for a bailout.

lie.
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20) “[I]t puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.” The Board, or IPAB is tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending, should Medicare costs exceed a target growth rate. Congress can accept the savings proposal or implement its own ideas through a super majority. The panel’s plan will modify payments to providers but it cannot “include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost-sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria” (Section 3403 of the ACA). Relying on health care experts rather than politicians to control health care costs has previously attracted bipartisan support and even Ryan himself proposed two IPAB-like structures in a 2009 health plan.

lie.
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21) “Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year. And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.” The Affordable Care Act would actually expand health care coverage to 30 million Americans, despite Romney fear mongering. According to CBO director Douglas Elmendorf, 3 million or less people would leave employer-sponsored health insurance coverage as a result of the law.

appears to be a blatant lie.
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24) “Preexisting conditions are covered under my plan.” Only people who are continuously insured would not be discriminated against because they suffer from pre-existing conditions. This protection would not be extended to people who are currently uninsured.

this is a lie his own team "clarified" (i.e. said it was a lie) right after the debate.
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25) “In one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. Now, I like green energy as well, but that’s about 50 years’ worth of what oil and gas receives.” The $90 billion was given out over several years and included loans, loan guarantees and grants through the American Recovery Act. $23 billion of the $90 billion “went toward “clean coal,” energy-efficiency upgrades, updating the electricity grid and environmental clean-up, largely for old nuclear weapons sites.”

lie, though i suppose you can generously call it "misleading".
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26) “I think about half of [the green firms Obama invested in], of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business. A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns.” As of late last year, only “three out of the 26 recipients of 1705 loan guarantees have filed for bankruptcy, with losses estimated at just over $600 million.”

huge lie.
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27) “If the president’s reelected you’ll see dramatic cuts to our military.” Romney is referring to the sequester, which his running mate Paul Ryan supported. Obama opposes the military cuts and has asked Congress to formulate a balanced approach that would avoid the trigger.

it's not clear he's actually referring to sequestration, ad i'm not familiar with obama's proposed budget, so can't determine if this is true or false.






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Y.A. Tittle
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And I think Romney would need congressional support on this as well.


Wait, this executive order stuff doesn't work in reverse? We are only allowed to INCREASE government with it?

Shit!






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McChowder
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Sorry, I automatically disregard any source as credible when they end their analysis with the claim that Obamacare will reduce the deficit as part of their supporting argument. That's a joke of a claim that even Bill Maher has abanded.





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CptBengal
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there's so much bull shite there, it's hilarious.

good god man.






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WaveHog
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there's so much bull shite there,


ok, go at it. there's a lot of material for you to address.






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TJRibMe
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Austin
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WaveHog
this makes sense.






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Y.A. Tittle
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ok, go at it. there's a lot of material for you to address.


Let's go with the first one. He cited a specific opinion. You cite another opinion that disagrees with the opinion he cited.

Nothing about that constitutes a "lie." ETA, and calling it such strikes me as a bigger lie than anything you purport to be pointing out as one.

That's just silliness.



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Hugo Stiglitz
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there's so much bull shite there, it's hilarious.

good god man.

It's ok. I know having to defend your political viewpoints with little more than the lint in your pockets becomes difficult.

Your hypocrisy knows no limits.




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CptBengal
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It's ok. I know having to defend your political viewpoints with little more than the lint in your pockets becomes difficu


I'm not defending anything here, I'd be destroying some absurd article.

That's called offense.

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Your hypocrisy knows no limits.


See that's not hypocrisy...because offense and defense aren;t the same.

Your stupidity, however, knows no limits.

now run to the help board to complain that people smarter than you are making you look dumb....or RA, I know you like to do both.






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glaucon
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You can't possibly think his foreign policy has had positive results.


Yes I can.






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glaucon
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considering it will add jobs and income to the economy in terms of people working and taxes...


I don't think it is a magic bullet that you are claiming it to be and I am not crazy about being that willy nilly about the environmental impact such expansion will have. Furthermore, the North American energy independence plan is just nonsense. It wont effect prices.






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CptBengal
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I am not crazy about being that willy nilly about the environmental impact such expansion will have.


I am a biological oceanographer...please tell me about the environmental impacts you would expect to see.






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Catman88
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re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many...


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8) “Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half.” Oil production from federal lands is higher, not lower: Production from federal lands is up slightly in 2011 when compared to 2007. And the oil and gas industry is sitting on 7,000 approved permits to drill, that it hasn’t begun exploring or developing.


I would rate it as a half truth

2007 ~3500 leases

2008 ~2400
2009 ~2100
2010 ~1500
2011 ~2050

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Hugo Stiglitz
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re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many...


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See that's not hypocrisy...because offense and defense aren;t the same.

Your stupidity, however, knows no limits.

now run to the help board to complain that people smarter than you are making you look dumb....or RA, I know you like to do both.



How fricking passive aggressive is this post?

Your routine never changes when someone calls you out on your bullshite, "deflect, deflect, and attack the other poster."

FWIW, I have never RA'd any of your posts and LA could probably testify to this.

Your pussy arse isn't worth complaining about anymore.






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LSUCouyon
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Quote--"What was so frustrating about Obama's performance last night as a Democrat was that it seemed so obvious that Romney was selling a bunch of bull shite. He promised everything to everyone and got away completely from having to lay out the hard choices that he would have to make if he was really serious about instituting his policy objectives. You cannot have everything that Romney is offering. It just isn't mathematically possible." Unquote

Did you believe the BULL shite Obama was spewing 4 years ago? How ironic it is that you make this statement. You folks can't admit that your man is neck and neck with James Carter in the race for worst president in history. Cue you_ "It's Bush's fault."







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Catman88
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Wow there is so much BS compiled in your stuff I dont know where to start.. The CBO one on the 20 million has already been discussed.





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CptBengal
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How fricking passive aggressive is this post?


passive aggressive?

I called you a moron. that's not passive at all, moron. Again, I dont think you should be using words and terms before looking them up...your vocabulary isnt strong enough.

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FWIW, I have never RA'd any of your posts


So it's just help board threads then, like that makes it better

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Your pussy arse isn't worth complaining about anymore.


whatever helps you sleep at night, moron.






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20MuleTeam
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re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many...


Just play a video of the whole debate, it would be easier to list the one or two times he (or his opponent for that matter) didn't lie





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Hugo Stiglitz
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What are you like 14?

Only a fricking child would call another poster a moron three times over the internet in a single post.

However, I congratulate you for successfully deflecting and derailing this thread from it's original discussion.

Your reply of

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there's so much bull shite there, it's hilarious.

good god man.


was so persuasive and contributory to the discussion.

Why don't you name call and deflect some more since you're kinda getting humiliated and exposed in this thread as being a total hypocrite.






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WaveHog
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re: Please List the "lies" from Romney last night. I keep hearing there were many...


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Wow there is so much BS compiled in your stuff I dont know where to start..

start at the top and work your way down.

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The CBO one on the 20 million has already been discussed.

where was it discussed - in this thread? i might have missed it.







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