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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:14 pm to glaucon)
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If the tax cuts do not correspond with spending cuts then they are paid for by borrowing.
what if tax cuts lead to increased tax receipts
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:15 pm to glaucon)
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Which are almost entirely the result of the housing bubble.
there is always a bubble
do you say the economy of the 90s was great, but then dismiss Clinton b/c that growth was "almost entirely the result of the dot com bubble"?
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glaucon 
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:15 pm to LSUAlum2001)
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Yeah: Ask Barney Frank about protecting Fannie/Freddie and how they passed laws that forced lenders to loan to borrowers who had no business buying, or face litigation from the US government.
I didn't say Bush was to blame for the housing bubble. I said his economic growth numbers are dependent on it.
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TROLA
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:15 pm to Decatur)
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Let me guess...we have to elect him in order to find out, right?
Same song different thread.. The man was being honest in saying that he will have to work with Congress to find some common ground/compromise.
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LSUAlum2001
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:16 pm to glaucon)
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If the tax cuts do not correspond with spending cuts then they are paid for by borrowing. In other words, it would be government spending.
No shit?
The reason why people are against tax increases now is because of runaway spending. The current administration wants to raise taxes without cutting spending.
Romney/Ryan will cut spending and lower taxes.
This post was edited on 10/4 at 2:19 pm
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constant cough 
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:16 pm to Decatur)
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What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts?
The year 2000 just called and Al Gore wants his talking points back.
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LSUAlum2001
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:18 pm to glaucon)
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I said his economic growth numbers are dependent on it.
The housing crisis was going to happen sooner or later and was 10+ years in the making.
The mini-recession at the turn of the millenia was the dot.com bubble bursting and had nothing to do with the housing crisis.
The growth occurred after that had happened.
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BigBoyTiger
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:19 pm to glaucon)
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In other words, it would be government spending.
It really isn't though. The government is foregoing revenue, it isn't "spending" anything.
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Tiger n Miami AU83 
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:20 pm to FalseProphet)
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Well, Romney did state on numerous occasions that he was all for closing loopholes and deductions, but he never specified what they were.
If people on here would intelligently debate instead of blindly thrashing Obama, this could be a productive discussion.
Good luck with that. 
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What deductions should fall by the wayside given Romney's statement?
Pretty much all of them. Every. Single. One.
That is the correct answer if Romney's tax cuts (20%) across the board were implemented.
Saying growth will pay for them is cute, but wishful thinking, not logical responsible thinking.
But seriously, frick it. I have already estimated if Romney's tax plan passes, I should take home about $10k more next year. So lets do this. 
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Decatur
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:20 pm to TROLA)
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Same song different thread.. The man was being honest in saying that he will have to work with Congress to find some common ground/compromise.
Until then he can promise pie in the sky
Some of what he is proposing to do will have very important implications. I don't see why we can't look at it now to see if his ideas have any chance of success or whether they will be beneficial.
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LSUAlum2001
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:22 pm to Decatur)
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Until then he can promise pie in the sky
..and this is different than Obama's promises in 2008?
The people here actually agree with Romney on the way to fix this economy.
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dr smartass phd
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:22 pm to Decatur)
Congress dictates tax policy, ask them.
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BlackHelicopterPilot
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:22 pm to LSUAlum2001)
Fellas,
We are being too harsh. We should give the specifics...just like their favorites always did.
Thus;
1) Romney will put the funds in a lock box (Al Gore)
2) Romney will use a scalpel on the budget (Obama)
Now, there are some specifics
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Tiger n Miami AU83
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:23 pm to Decatur)
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I don't see why we can't look at it now to see if his ideas have any chance of success or whether they will be beneficial.
Honest answer? Because he knows the ONLY way for his idea to work is explosive unprecedented growth. And that is pie in the sky bullshite, period.
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crimsonsaint
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:25 pm to Decatur)
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It was a great debate
I'm assuming you're an Obama supporter and that comment^ is a joke.
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Decatur
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:28 pm to crimsonsaint)
No, it was actually more substantive than I expected. It got Romney on the record with a few things. Specifics are RomneyKryptonite.
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Catman88
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:29 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83)
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ONLY way for his idea to work is explosive unprecedented growth
You realize that with where the coporate margins are right now if this doesnt occur no matter who is elected we will have a much bigger stock market colapse in the next few years that will make 2008 look like a walk in the park.
The margins cant keep growing without an economy to back it up. The margins are at an all time high. (why do you think the stock market is up?)
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Burt Reynolds 
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:32 pm to Decatur)
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and for the buggers who object to my language "pay for"...just assume I mean revenue neutrality
More Americans employed = Higher tax revenue
It's that simple
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glaucon
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:34 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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there is always a bubble
do you say the economy of the 90s was great, but then dismiss Clinton b/c that growth was "almost entirely the result of the dot com bubble"?
The difference was that the 90's were not almost entirely the result of the dot com bubble. A large part of that growth was due an increase in worker productivity (not that Clinton can take any credit for that).
There was a bubble that resulted in a market correction. But the dot com bust and the 2008 recession are not equivalent events. You also are smart enough to know this. Bush's tax cut raising revenue is a result entirely of them corresponding with the lead up of the housing crisis.
That graph was the Bush economy's economic growth.
This post was edited on 10/4 at 2:35 pm
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elposter 
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| re: What tax deductions will Romney eliminate in order to pay for his tax cuts? (Posted on 10/4/12 at 2:37 pm to glaucon)
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If the tax cuts do not correspond with spending cuts then they are paid for by borrowing. In other words, it would be government spending.
Tax cuts do not necessarily mean tax revenue cuts. So it does not necessarily follow that there will be anything to pay for. People just continually assume tax cuts mean revenue cuts.
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