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McChowder
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Can someone explain the "10 doctors, 10 seperate tests".....


There was a point in the healthcare portion of the debate when a reference was made by Obama (suprisingly, about private sector ingenuity in cost cutting) where a hospital decided......instead of conducting ten seperate tests that would go to ten seperate doctors, they would gather all ten of the doctors together in one room and conduct just one test.

That didn't make any sense to me. Test results are attached to a patients chart and referenced by all. What one test would satisfy the needs of ten different doctors that are gathered in the same room that wouldn't have before?

Did the president flub his own example? I have no doubt that a cost cutting messure was made, just hard to imagine it resembles anything Obama tried to describe.







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Meauxjeaux
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And he forgets that generally 10 doctors and 10 separate tests are required by the clinics so they have some semblance of a defense at the unlimited tort medical malpractice trials.

The dumb arse cannot connect the dots that his 10 tests are driven because of the shenanigans of one of his prime constituencies.. Trial Lawyers.






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Summer of George
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Yeah. I didn't follow either.





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Meauxjeaux
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Oh, and to answer your question.... his idea is that 1 test is cheaper than 10, so that's the way to do it.

He's so unbelievably elementary in his understanding of business it's shocking. (well not really)






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McChowder
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re: Can someone explain the "10 doctors, 10 seperate tests".....


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Oh, and to answer your question.... his idea is that 1 test is cheaper than 10, so that's the way to do it.

Good point about the tort aspect Meauxjeaux. Much of the cost of medicine involves CYA (Cover Your Ass). At the same time, hopitals and clinics are being squeezed from reductions in reimbursements so broad testing like SMAC 20 have been somewhat phased out to reduce costs.

Where the doctors are when the test is conducted and how that somehow saves money still eludes me. Assuming there was one test that satisified the needs of all the doctors in the first place.






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Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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re: Can someone explain the "10 doctors, 10 seperate tests".....


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Did the president flub his own example? I have no doubt that a cost cutting messure was made, just hard to imagine it resembles anything Obama tried to describe.


Of course he didn't. Just look at the second post to this thread. Meauxjeaux described it clearly for you

I'll leave the two of you to decide who is wrong or right. Either way, your question was answered. It happens.

Btw, I lost my mother in 2010. After 86 days in the hospital, I has the chance to watch private industry rape Medcare like you would not believe. You would have to be an absolute fool to believe there are not government welfare check leeches in the medical field. I saw it first hand if you believe doctors will not get in line to collect those checks once ACHA takes effect, you're an idiot.






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Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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Oh! Save the "but the quality of care you will receive will be decreased". Her doctors were the most respected in the Lafayette area. All will be continuing practice for many years to come. And yes, they will be continuing to accept Medicare patients.





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McChowder
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re: Can someone explain the "10 doctors, 10 seperate tests".....


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Of course he didn't. Just look at the second post to this thread. Meauxjeaux described it clearly for you

Meauxjeaux simply stated that 1 test is cheaper than 20. Makes perfect sense on the surface. But if you are admitted to a hospital, you don't recieve 20 duplicate tests because there are 20 different doctors. Don't be thick. That may happen if care is transfered or extended to different facilities and clinics but that wasn't the presidents example. None of that explains why the doctors have to be in the same room to achieve it either.

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if you believe doctors will not get in line to collect those checks once ACHA takes effect, you're an idiot.

I don't expect them to work for free so yeah, they will collect the checks even though reimbursments are going to be drastically cut. I don't think anyone is arguing that those most affected will NOT be healthcare providers, hospitals and doctors.






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tiger1014
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re: Can someone explain the "10 doctors, 10 seperate tests".....


To be fair, he's actually accurate here.

Consulting physicians often get their own repeat labs at their own facility no matter what is on file for the patient.

And what he won't admit is that most of the time that is done to CYA legally






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McChowder
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Consulting physicians often get their own repeat labs at their own facility no matter what is on file for the patient.

K, so this one hospital puts 20 consulting physicians in a room to eliminate redundancy? My impression was that they were all from the same hospital. Usually you would just refer to the patients chart. I've never heard of an admitted patient recieving a battery of the same tests from consulting physicians within the same hospital. I guess that's what was happening though. Go figure.






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tigerman03
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re: Can someone explain the "10 doctors, 10 seperate tests".....


I think the point Obama was trying to make was that they performed everything in one visit. Multiple tests to figure it out quickly so the doctors could reduce the amount of time working. Where he screwed up was when he tried to simplify it mean they replaced 20 tests with 1.
He was speaking to the less intelligent of his base. They will think "My God, the prez is really smart, of course it's cheaper! 1 is less than 20". But that simplistic argument doesn't make any sense.
Where he screwed up was by picking a private clinic. Romney was able to throw that back in his face, which he seemingly did all debate with ease.






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Elcid96
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doctors together in one room and conduct just one test.


Even my wife laughed her arse off on that one.

She is in the medical field and said that Obama must be living in a dream world.

I am going to ask my Doctor next time about that 1 test, finds all plan!!


Kinda like Ortho's are making 30,000 to chop off legs.







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austingator
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re: Can someone explain the "10 doctors, 10 seperate tests".....


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Can someone explain the "10 doctors, 10 seperate tests"..... To be fair, he's actually accurate here. Consulting physicians often get their own repeat labs at their own facility no matter what is on file for the patient. And what he won't admit is that most of the time that is done to CYA legally


Not true.






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BasClas
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"10 doctors, 10 seperate tests".....





Can you imagine the cost of that?!!






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tiger1014
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Not true.


Yes it is

I see it every day

Especially if labs are from outside facilities






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Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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K, so this one hospital puts 20 consulting physicians in a room to eliminate redundancy?


My mother had several meetings where multiple doctors reviewed information. It is my understanding this is common practice.







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Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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Yes it is

I see it every day

Especially if labs are from outside facility












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NorthEnd
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So how expensive is it to get 10 doctors together at the same time? Never seen that happen. I know my consults don't come cheap bc it's time that I could be producing by doing procedures.





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Shreveporter
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re: Can someone explain the "10 doctors, 10 seperate tests".....


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Did the president flub his own example?


Yes. But then, this is the man who in the past has said that pediatricians were choosing to do a tonsillectomy rather than treat a sore throat with medicine because the surgery pays more than prescribing meds. So, aside from accusing your child's doctor of unethical practices, he also demonatrated a failure to recognize that pediatricians are not surgeons, cannot peform a tonsillectomy, and in fact LOSE potential income when that patient walks out of the door to visit the ENT and have the surgery done. But sometimes, you send them for the procedure, because they meet the criteria for tonsillectomy, so recommending this treatment is the right thing to do, both medically and ethically. Since then, I find it hard to take Obama seriously when he describes any cost-cutting plans he has for healthcare, because they stem (at least in part) from a place of ignorance.

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Elcid96
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Do you think the POTUS cares how expensive anything is? He prints his own money!





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