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RandySavage
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 8:48 pm to Dandy Lion)
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What about Puyol's textbook red? By far the most obvious red in the game.
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Dandy Lion 
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 9:20 pm to RandySavage)
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By far the most obvious red in the game.
Seeing that the Netherlands should have been playing with nine players for the 65 previous minutes, that would be a wise tactical decision on his part, would it not?
I mean, how would that horse's rear end send him off so late in the match, after having committed those monumental gaffes eons ago? There would have been absolutely no way to justify it.
Very tactical, and necessary.
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RandySavage
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 9:41 pm to Dandy Lion)
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There would have been absolutely no way to justify it.
From a standpoint on how it affects the game there is a big difference between a dramatic clumsy foul in the middle of the park and a clear denial of a goal scoring opportunity from behind as the last man.
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 9:44 pm to RandySavage)
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From a standpoint on how it affects the game there is a big difference between a dramatic clumsy foul in the middle of the park and a clear denial of a goal scoring opportunity from behind as the last man.
Randy, how to say this.
11 > 9
Especially when speaking of an attacking, and not a speculating side.
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RandySavage
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 11:13 pm to Dandy Lion)
Read my posts in the thread. I know you will disagree but my whole premise is that a clumsy foul in the middle of the field should not result in a team having to play a man down. Send the guy off, fine. Suspend him, sure whatever. But to me it's a flawed rule that a non-malicious foul in the middle of the park results in a team playing down for the rest of the match which is why there is no other sport where this sort of thing happens.
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Tweezy
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 11:19 pm to Dandy Lion)
is the flooding in spain anywhere near you?
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Dandy Lion
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 11:24 pm to Tweezy)
tweeze, I'm in ATL still, believe it or not (I expected to have left in August), and family and friends haven't mentioned anything.
Flooding is typical in the Levante area, Catalonia, and the south.
I'll check news now.
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Dandy Lion
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 11:28 pm to RandySavage)
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Read my posts in the thread. I know you will disagree but my whole premise is that a clumsy foul in the middle of the field should not result in a team having to play a man down. Send the guy off, fine. Suspend him, sure whatever. But to me it's a flawed rule that a non-malicious foul in the middle of the park results in a team playing down for the rest of the match which is why there is no other sport where this sort of thing happens.
I skipped over all posts. Where one is in the pitch has nothing to do with it, if blatant, and with malicious intent. If you're referring to Von Bommel, his challenge was from the back, highly malicious, with intent to injure, to send a message, as is done in American football, and to test Webb. It was a straight red, especially considering he already had committed three or four fouls previously.
Now, if you're referring to something else, you most certainly may be right based on what you've stated, but like anything, context reigns, before making a ruling.
ETA it may have not been three or four as I said, but he is a dirty, dirty SOB, and his intent was clear for all to see. If you didn't, or don't want to see that, then this conversation is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, he was merely peforming that which they had outlined in their gameplan, but it was a straight red. You will notice I mention nothing of the boot to Xabi's chest, which I firmly believe is a red, but most certainly wasn't intentional.
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Tweezy
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 11:34 pm to Dandy Lion)
ahh gotcha, just making sure. i saw i think 7 people died in the malaga region.
/end hijack
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 11:35 pm to Dandy Lion)
Just for reference let's look at the list of offenses that merit the receiving of yellow or red card.
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Cautionable offencses
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A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offenses:
unsporting behavior
dissent by word or action
persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game
delaying the restart of play
failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner kick, free kick or throw-in
entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee's permission
deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission
A substitute or substituted player is cautioned if he commits any of the following three offenses:
unsporting behavior
dissent by word or action
delaying the restart of play
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
serious foul play
violent conduct
spitting at an opponent or any other person
denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick
using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
receiving a second caution in the same match
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Dandy Lion
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 11:41 pm to thenry712)
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persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game
This is Van Bommel's middle name. I still cannot believe Cruyff in his desperation brought this POS to BCN. As Yoda would say, bigger bust, there has not been.
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Dandy Lion
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/28/12 at 11:44 pm to Tweezy)
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malaga region
Depends upon what part exactly, but for the most part, it is sandy/arid.
My people are in Asturias, Cantabria, Catalonia, Castilla-Leon, Galicia and Madrid.
Like Italy, as wm will tell you, Spain, below Madrid, is Africa. They have good civil service, prevention, etc.... but it is light years from the north (Castilla-Leon, Galicia are a bit dodgey).
I won't try to create a simile with the US, as I am sure I will ruffle alot of feathers. I for one, am right now in a place which would receive a scalding review, were I to go there.  
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RandySavage
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/29/12 at 7:37 am to Dandy Lion)
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If you're referring to Von Bommel, his challenge was from the back, highly malicious, with intent to injure,
I don't remember that so I can't comment on it.
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/29/12 at 11:59 am to RandySavage)
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But to me it's a flawed rule that a non-malicious foul in the middle of the park results in a team playing down for the rest of the match which is why there is no other sport where this sort of thing happens.
How it is not malicious when you go studs up with both feet? Sorry but that was an easy direct red.
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RandySavage
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 9/29/12 at 12:01 pm to saderade)
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How it is not malicious when you go studs up with both feet?
Well that didn't happen.
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rsande2 
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 10/1/12 at 8:34 am to Friend of OBUDan)
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I really don't see any difference between goal line technology and reviewing red cards as far as seamless integration into the flow of the game goes. Goal line technology stops it more in fact, because it creates a stoppage where the ref wouldn't have stopped the game previously.
This is actually not true, you can set some form of this up to where once the ball crosses the goal line an alarm or siren can go off with a flashing light or something of that sort. No stoppage of play, immediately the ref signals goal and we move on.....like I said similiar to what hockey uses.
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rsande2
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 10/1/12 at 8:44 am to RandySavage)
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Shelvey earned that red man, sorry........
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This tells me we pretty much wouldn't agree on anything sport related.
Dude really, take the liverpool glasses off for a second and watch the video, a foul and then and two footed studs up tackle 3 seconds later.....I mean come on!
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RandySavage
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 10/1/12 at 9:02 am to rsande2)
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Dude really, take the liverpool glasses
Uhhh...
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two footed studs up tackle 3 seconds later.....I mean come on!
LINK
Clearly going for the ball, no malice, United player went in just as dangerously, it' just a crappy rule that the entire team had to play a man down for over a half for that. Again, there is a reason no other sport in the world has anything to compare to this. It's a stupid punishment system.
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rsande2
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 10/1/12 at 9:53 am to RandySavage)
meh, agree to disagree, I think its a red and you don't.....and if this is the call that is supposed to persuade me to stop the game for instant replay, I am far from convinced on that issue as well.
Sure, there are bad calls made in games that the majority on here will agree with, but I am not sure I trust any league to implement instant replay in such a way that the game is not negatively impacted, thats just me. Still for goal line technology though if its done right and I believe that has a better chance of working.
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| re: Lets have a discussion about red cards (Posted on 10/1/12 at 10:48 am to rsande2)
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Dude really, take the liverpool glasses off for a second and watch the video, a foul and then and two footed studs up tackle 3 seconds later.....I mean come on!
Ive seen less given a red card... fine... but like I said back a few pages, be consistent... if Shelvey's gets a red right there, then so should Evans... If not, caution them both...
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