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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 9/28/12 at 10:59 am to 19)
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Plus that really complicates Ned and Varys' relationship quite a bit, huh?
How so? I'm having trouble putting the Ned and Vary's conversations together off the top of my head.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 9/28/12 at 12:06 pm to jrodLSUke)
If Aegon was at the TOJ, then Varys knows that Ned knows a live Targ heir exists without Robert's knowledge...even if Wylla was the go-between the two. Ned may not know of Varys' involvement in this secret, but Ned would make Varys very wary.
say that three times fast!
ETA: the only way I see Ned keeping this secret is if that heir is his blood.
So wait... your theory is the "Mummer's Dragon" was at the TOJ or are you saying the kid (name?) that said he and Jon had the same wet nurse is the real Aegon? I may be confused.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 9/28/12 at 1:18 pm to 19)
The real Aegon VI and Jon were at TOJ.
The Dragon, afterall, must have three heads.
The baby in King's Landing that was taken by Varys was a fake Aegon. I'm guessing it may have been Ashara's baby, which would explain why she jumped from Starfall.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 9/28/12 at 2:37 pm to jrodLSUke)
we need to move this to the crackpot thread, I'll quote and reply to you there.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 9/28/12 at 3:29 pm to jrodLSUke)
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The baby in King's Landing that was taken by Varys was a fake Aegon. I'm guessing it may have been Ashara's baby, which would explain why she jumped from Starfall.
Unless she didn't jump from the Starfall after all. (Body never found) Then she might spend the rest of her life in disguised presence of her son. Lets say... as a Septa?
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/3/12 at 8:08 pm to BluegrassBelle)
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Oct 3 - Arya I, Bran II, Tyrion I
Giving the bump for discussion (on my phone and will add links in a bit).
Also, is too slow for you guys? Do we need to revise the schedule?
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/3/12 at 8:23 pm to BluegrassBelle)
Pace is fine with me. Plenty going on with football, etc.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/4/12 at 10:52 am to jrodLSUke)
I took two things from Arya's POV. She is Lyanna reborn and is probably just going through an ugly duckling type phase. Also, I know the R + L = J theory is probably influencing me, but reading about Jon and his demeanor reminds me of the way Rhaegar is described. His level of intelligence noticing everything and calm demeanor while he and Arya are watching Joffrey and Robb stood out for some reason. Of course his blow up at the dinner table in his POV reminds of his mother and her wolf blood.
I still hate reading this Bran POV. I like that it at least describes Jamie as loathing the idea of pushing Bran out. Still hold the idea that he only did it for his sister and his misguided love for her. Not for himself.
In Tyrion's POV it is said that when they closed Bran's window, he seemed to weaken from being disconnected from Summer. My theory that Jon isn't even really dead could be built on here. If he survives, and Ghost is close, it may turn out that he is just in a sort of coma until he can draw on Ghost's strength and wake up to whip some ass.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/4/12 at 10:54 am to Mr. Wayne)
Pace is fine we just have some slackers who aren't chiming in.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/4/12 at 12:38 pm to Mr. Wayne)
I had forgotten all about "Arya Horseface"
Seems Martin has planted the seed for her to surpass even Sansa's beauty when she's full grown. Good to remember the age discrepancies from the book to the show. Lyanna reborn indeed.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/4/12 at 7:29 pm to 19)
I agree with the Lyanna reborn angle on Arya.
That makes it difficult for me to believe that Lyanna died giving birth. Although I completely agreed with R+L=J.
I mean, Lyanna was badass. I just can't see her or Arya going out giving birth. She would have sewed up the vagina Rambo style and rushed off into battle with the Sword of the Morning.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/4/12 at 7:37 pm to jrodLSUke)
Chapter summaries for this week:
Arya I
Bran II
Tyrion I
ETA: And I hit enter too early.
Talk about a huge catalyst to this whole deal in Bran's chapter. It's always interesting going back and reading things that on your first read you know is going to be huge but you just have no idea HOW huge.
And we have the obvious notations of Arya's looks and more importantly their relation to Jon.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/11/12 at 11:38 am to BluegrassBelle)
You guys are killing me. Awful lot of flakes in this thread.
Jon
Tough chapter to read as it is last time Jon and Robb see each other. Cat is as much a bitch as she is when she is UnCat. Jon has to see Arya and Bran again. It would be too cruel for it not to happen.
Dany
I miss her like this. She is obviously stronger than she knows at this point, and it flashes here and there. Viserys and Joffrey should have been besties.
Ned
I wish we could have had more about Bob and Ned from their youth. Mainly because all we get to see of him is the fat shadow of a once great man and the story of the Trident. I would like to have seen him as young Storm Lord and young King. It is here that my only doubt of R + L = J comes from, though it is a small one. The way Ned avoids the subject comes off to me as he is truly ashamed. But it could just be the result of years of convincing himself of the lie he promised to keep.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/11/12 at 12:37 pm to Mr. Wayne)
I don't understand why lyanna and raeghar would be reborn as anyone. What purpose would it serve? Azor ahai is one thing, but why those two?
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:12 pm to Mr. Wayne)
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Jon has to see Arya and Bran again. It would be too cruel for it not to happen.
I agree but how will Jon get the chance to see Bran? Unless, as a couple people have theorized, Bloodraven and the Children of the Forest are really evil and Bran flees them after discovering it. I just don't see how Jon and Bran would meet up.
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The way Ned avoids the subject comes off to me as he is truly ashamed. But it could just be the result of years of convincing himself of the lie he promised to keep.
This is one of the points against R+L=J in my mind as well. You can also couple it with Jon and Arya being described as looking alike and the only two who look like Ned.
However, later on Ned says Arya's looks reminds him of Lyanna so that could counter the idea that Ned is really Jon's father.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:19 pm to MFn GIMP)
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You can also couple it with Jon and Arya being described as looking alike and the only two who look like Ned.
However, later on Ned says Arya's looks reminds him of Lyanna so that could counter the idea that Ned is really Jon's father.
Was there not a quote from an earlier chapter talking about Ned and Lyanna having a lot of the same features?
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:23 pm to Josh Fenderman)
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Was there not a quote from an earlier chapter talking about Ned and Lyanna having a lot of the same features?
Not that I can recall. I have been trying to take notes on interesting quotes, or theories I come up with as I read, and I don't remember writing that down. Please, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/11/12 at 1:30 pm to MFn GIMP)
Could've sworn something about Arya having the "Stark look" like Ned, as opposed to Sansa and others having the Tully features. Use the transitive property of Arya looking like Lyanna and Arya and Jon.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/11/12 at 2:47 pm to Josh Fenderman)
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Could've sworn something about Arya having the "Stark look" like Ned, as opposed to Sansa and others having the Tully features. Use the transitive property of Arya looking like Lyanna and Arya and Jon.
Oh yea, that is definitely in Arya's opening chapter. In her thoughts she says that it made her think she was a bastard, like Jon, since the Tully genetic traits seem to be dominant, just like the Baratheon traits are always dominant over Lannister.
The Arya, Jon, Ned features makes R+L=J a little more complex than it seems.
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| re: Game of Thrones Re-Read/Re-Watch Project (Multiple Book Spoilers) (Posted on 10/11/12 at 3:43 pm to Lion Monticello)
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I don't understand why lyanna and raeghar would be reborn as anyone.
I didn't mean that literally. I mean she favors her aunt in appearance and attitude.
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