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Could they have stayed there a few days trying to save her before she kicked the bucket?


Absolutely. My big thing is the promise. What promise could Ned make the Lyanna that would "take the fear out of her eyes"? No way it was, "I promise to take your bones back to Winterfell".






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I stand corrected on my fever theory. Thanks to the birthin' scientists for that.

Still, I think Lyanna may have died because she was wounded in the fight. The main evidence for this comes later in the series from the story of the Knight of the Laughing tree.

To be continued...

I also think that quote above reinforces R+L=J. The mention of rose petals and smells clearly links to a love affair with Rhaegar.






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The Ned and Catelyn chapters this week only make me believe in the R+L=J theory about a billion times more. For reasons stated in the past few posts.





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Earlier in the thread you guys were talking about swords and Ice...came across this on my reread:

"Catelyn had no love for swords, but she could not deny that Ice had its own beauty. It had been forged in Valyria, before the Doom had come to the old Freehold, when the ironsmiths had worked their metal with spells as well as hammers. Four hundred years old it was, and as sharp as the day it was forged. The name it bore was older still, a legacy from the age of heroes, when the Starks were Kings in the North."

Martin, George R.R. (2003-01-01). A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book One (p. 21). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

So the current Ice wasn't the original...was there anything special about it or was it just a name for their swords?






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Damn good first post. I never noticed that. I would assume that Ice was the name of a legendary sword that Bran the Builder carried since he is the only Stark name we know from the Age of Heroes.





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I ain't scared of that Wildcat.


Best recognize foo'.

And sorry for the delay. I'll be able to throw in more on the discussion as soon as I finish up this week's reading. I've been taking care of my Mom who had knee surgery yesterday and haven't had much time for anything else.

As already mentioned we're discussing this week the chapters of Eddard I, Jon I, Catelyn II.

Eddard I Summary

Jon I Summary

Catelyn II Summary

So we obviously start getting into the R+L = JS discussion with some notable mentions in more one of our chapters. As said, one of the bricks to the foundation of that theory is Eddard's reaction to Catelyn once having questioned him about Ashara Dayne and Jon Snow. And that Jon is "of his blood".

I'm a little sad going back and reading these chapters knowing that it's a handful of the last times we see the Starks together and largely alive.






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Now I'm no rocket surgeon, so "I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies". But I do know how to drop old movie quotes. And I don't think Lyanna died from a fever because of childbirth.


As said, it's not uncommon to end up with a fever during childbirth even now. Also, later on I believe Mirri Maz Duur and at least one other character refers to the birthing bed as the "bloody bed".

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Lyanna may have had something to do with how Howland Reed saved Ned from Ser Dayne. And that might have involved some sort of wound that caused the fever.


I could buy this too though.






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Welcome back Belle. I had promised myself to never 'speak' to you again, because you didn't comment on my Tower of Joy thread. But you are forgiven.

Hope your mom is well.






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I've been taking care of my Mom who had knee surgery yesterday and haven't had much time for anything else


May she rise again, harder and stronger.






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Ice had its own beauty. It had been forged in Valyria, before the Doom had come to the old Freehold, when the ironsmiths had worked their metal with spells as well as hammers. Four hundred years old it was, and as sharp as the day it was forged. The name it bore was older still, a legacy from the age of heroes, when the Starks were Kings in the North."


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So the current Ice wasn't the original...was there anything special about it or was it just a name for their swords?


I didn't come to this conclusion at all - that Ned's Valyrian Greatsword was named after another from Stark history - and I love it.

The meaning I took from this passage was that the name Ice is the legacy in itself, not specifically a sword named Ice. Ice from the Age of Heroes could've been a stronghold, a man, a Direwolf...?

I definitely concede this possibility though. Gonna have to research on W.O to see what Ran & Co say or if Martin has mentioned anything about this. Hard to imagine we would discover anything new after all the dissection these books have gone through, but never say never...

Tid bits like this are what make this thread for me!

ETA: this is all I found in a limited search:
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The name "Ice" is a legacy from the Age of Heroes, and predates the current sword. About four hundred years before Robert Baratheon's reign, the Valyrian steel greatsword was spell-forged in Valyria and acquired by the Starks, who named it after that legacy.[2] I


LINK

pretty much repeating the chapter quoted. Not much in way of clarifying if there was another sword or not...question is, what was the legacy?



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10 secrets about GoT adaptation
Old article, but interesting stuff.


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(HBO President of Entertainment Sue Naegle said the door is open for another cameo. "We love George," she said. "We'd like him working on the book, but he's welcome any time.")



HBO Boom!






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OK i have a problem - Eddard I - when Ned and Robert are looking at the graves and recalling Lyanna - the paragraph that begins "I was with her when she died".....he describes her grip tightening as she dies, and the black petals falling to the ground. The next sentence is "THEY had found him still holding her body, silent with grief." Reed separated their hands, etc.

Now, I thought only Ned and Reed had survived the fight so who is THEY?!?!?!?






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Wylla. Jon's milk mother





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OH YEAH thanks

shes not mentioned right in that part






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OH YEAH thanks shes not mentioned right in that part



I mean thats not the "official" story (as if tower of joy has any "official" stories) but thats what most assume.






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Hope your mom is well.


She's doing better. Just needs to keep taking her Milk of the Poppy and resting naturally.

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I had promised myself to never 'speak' to you again, because you didn't comment on my Tower of Joy thread.








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I liked how Jon's chapter ends with Tyrion walking back into the hall and, I'm paraphrasing here:

Tyrion walked back into the hall and cast a large shadow and for that moment he stood as tall as a King.

Not sure if there was any meaning behind this. With this reread, the lady sentence or two of the chapters has really stuck with me. Obviously Martin is intending to do so.






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Love this quote from the Game of Thrones: 10 Secrets link.

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(HBO President of Entertainment Sue Naegle said the door is open for another cameo. "We love George," she said. "We'd like him working on the book, but he's welcome any time.")






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Wylla. Jon's milk mother

Don't let Cotton mislead you. He has yet to see the light.

Probably because that light is from a Dark Star.

They being referred to in this chapter is Howland Reed, Wylla, and Aegon VI.

Let's start at the begining:

Rhaegar did not trust Mad King Aerys II. So he switch baby Aegon in King's Landing with another and hid the heir to the throne in Dorne.

Now, Rhaegar needed a replacement baby that looked like a Targ, so he had Arthur Dayne switch Aegon with Ashara Dayne's newborn...you know, the one with the purple eyes.

Rheagar then hid Lyanna, Jon, and Aegon VI at the Tower of Joy and ordered his three most trusted King's Guard to protect them all with their lives.

Thus, it is Reed, Aegon VI, and Wylla that are present when Lyanna dies in Ned's arms.






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I like that theory, except hiding Aegon in Dorne.

Rhaegar was extremely intelligent above all, and putting all his eggs in one tower seems hard to swallow.

Plus that really complicates Ned and Varys' relationship quite a bit, huh?






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