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I think hell pop back up in the river lands too


Yes, and he'll have a host with him too.


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He is more than likely rallying the small folk to his cause right now


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He is more than likely rallying the small folk to his cause right now


That was the kind of "host" I am talking about. Small lords and smallfolk. I do know that the Frey are strangers in a strange land in the River Lands though. They will not have any friends up there, and the Lannisters don't give a shite about them. In fact, Jamie would probably rather have the Tully's back if it meant the replacement of Ryman Frey.

I would not be surprised if Brynden has hooked up with Dondarrion's old crew (now led by UnCat I believe). Dondarrion is supposed to be dead (for real) at this point right? My memory is fuzzy, but didn't they mention that he had to give up his existence to bring back Cat? Blood for life and all?
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I forget her name, but I think Tysha is the whore in Bravvos that makes the men marry her before sleeping with them.
The singer from the NW that came with Sam married her the night Arya killed him.


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Gerion Lannister is the corsair king. Or king of the stone men. Definitely one or the other.


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Maekar sent Bloodraven to the black cells. Egg sent him as part of Maester Aemon's honor guard to accompany him to the wall.


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Yes, Dondarrion is "real dead"


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Tysha is the whore in Bravvos that makes the men marry her before sleeping with them.

I certainly agree with that.

The Sailor's Wife. You must marry her to sleep with her.

And her daughter's name is Lanna. 14 with golden hair.

Fine name for a Lannister that.


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Holy shite that never crossed my mind


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Well since this does say crackpot...and I think I remember someone hinting at something like this, I'll put this here. (Not my theory, just ran across it)

Varys is a Blackfyre descendant, and he and Illyrio are the chessmasters running the conspiracy to put Illyrio's son Aegon Blackfyre on the throne.

First, we know that Varys and Illyrio are definitely running the Aegon conspiracy, Blackfyre or not. The evidence for Aegon being a Blackfyre is extremely strong, partly because of the Golden Company switching sides, and partly because of his parentage.
The parentage question really locks things down. Let's pretend for a moment that Aegon is really Rhaegar's rescued infant. Why were the other two known Targs, Viserys and Dany, on the run going from house to house for most of their life? Why did Illyrio wait until a couple of years before the start of the series to finally shelter them? We know from ADWD that Illyrio was in fact sheltering infant Aegon right after the war. Why not the other two?

Illyrio's wife, who he loved dearly, had silver hair. Coincidence? It's possible, but come on. Hair color is a key component to mysteries of parentage in this story. It's either an intentional red herring (and an excellent one) or Serra was a Targ by blood. Now, if she's a Targ, why was she a Lysene commoner when Illyrio met her? Wouldn't she be in Westeros as a noble woman? No, because she's a Blackfyre, and the family is scattered and poor. Illyrio and Serra are Aegon's parents, and Illyrio out of love for his long-lost wife decided to carry through elaborate plans to finally place a rightful Blackfyre heir on the throne - with the name of Targaryen, no less, as he deserved.

Let's move on to Varys. The two master manipulators met years ago and became wealthy over time. Varys supports Aegon Blackfyre over the Targaryens and anybody else; he's been scheming to put him on the throne for years.

Varys shaves his head, and GRRM specifically describes his head as looking like an egg. Isn't that funny? Don't we know another silver-haired Targ with an identical description and method of hiding his hair? Could Varys be pursuing this incredibly long con entirely out of loyalty to his life long friend Illyrio? Perhaps. When you combine the other evidence, though, it makes a stronger and stronger case that Varys is related to Serra somehow. Two Blackfyre descendants, the family broken apart, one a prostitute (right?) and the other an orphan in a traveling circus of some kind. Maybe when Illyrio and Varys became rich, baldy tracked down his long-lost sister that he remembered from the years before their parents died. Maybe Varys is Aegon's uncle and Illyrio's brother-in-law.

TL;DR: Varys is a Blackfyre descendant. His sister Serra married Illyrio and their son Aegon is currently conquering Westeros.


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TL;DR: Varys is a Blackfyre descendant. His sister Serra married Illyrio and their son Aegon is currently conquering Westeros.




Thats what I believe


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Thats what I believe


As do I. The Mummer's Dragon.


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I thought Varys was a Targ/Blackfyre, but never made the connection with Illyrio and his wife, or Aegon being there son. Martin needs to get his arse in gear, we need answers.


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I tend to agree with that but there's still the question of why Illyrio would help Dany and Viserys at all. Maybe he expected the Dothraki to kill Viserys but he couldn't have predicted Drogo's death opening the door for Aegon and Dany to marry could he? Even so, does that marriage strengthen Aegon's claim more than a marriage to, say, Maegary Tyrell?


Also, all the Free Cities seem pretty dedicated to commerce but the Prince of Pentos has no problem with one of his Magisters plotting with exiled Princes?



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end to agree with that but there's still the question of why Illyrio would help Dany and Viserys at all. Maybe he expected the Dothraki to kill Viserys but he couldn't have predicted Drogo's death opening the door for Aegon and Dany to marry could he?



Well it was probably planned for the Dothraki to kill Viserys from the beginning and they more than likely expected Dany to be shipped off to the Dosh Kaleen after Drogo's death. Effectively removing the last remaining Targs from the equation.

When Dany birthed the dragons..... well shite changed.

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Even so, does that marriage strengthen Aegon's claim more than a marriage to, say, Maegary Tyrell?




Yes because Margery Tyrell doesn't have three dragons.

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Also, all the Free Cities seem pretty dedicated to commerce but the Prince of Pentos has no problem with one of his Magisters plotting with exiled Princes?



I'm assuming the prince either does not know or stands to gain something from the situation.


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Cotton and others, this thread is unreal. Starting the reread of SoS tomorrow after work tomorrow.


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Glad our extreme nerdiness could be of service


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Varys made a promise on his sister's(Serra) death bed to put her son on the throne and put him out there for the world to see as a Targaryen.

Ned made a promise on his sister's death bed to hide her son's Targaryen heritage and shelter him from harm and pursuing the throne.

-Aegon was raised and brought up a hand of the king
-Jon was raised by a hand of the king

-Aegon was raised to believe his mother was from Dorne. (Elia)

-Jon was raised to believe his mother was a milk maid(or whatever they call them) from Dorne.

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Varys made a promise on his sister's(Serra) death bed to put her son on the throne and put him out there for the world to see as a Targaryen.

Ned made a promise on his sister's death bed to hide her son's Targaryen heritage and shelter him from harm and pursuing the throne.

-Aegon was raised and brought up a hand of the king
-Jon was raised by a hand of the king

-Aegon was raised to believe his mother was from Dorne. (Elia)

-Jon was raised to believe his mother was a milk maid(or whatever they call them) from Dorne.





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The parentage question really locks things down. Let's pretend for a moment that Aegon is really Rhaegar's rescued infant. Why were the other two known Targs, Viserys and Dany, on the run going from house to house for most of their life? Why did Illyrio wait until a couple of years before the start of the series to finally shelter them? We know from ADWD that Illyrio was in fact sheltering infant Aegon right after the war. Why not the other two?


Robert and others knew that Danny and Viserys were still alive. If Illyrio helps them, he brings attention onto himself and Robert would be more likely too act if Vis and Danny are supported by somebody rich and powerful.

By letting them run free, Illyrio had all of the attention on them not the baby he was raising. Once Robert's attention waned, Illryio was safe to help them.



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