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CBS News) Republicans on the House Oversight Committee were to take the first formal step Thursday toward contempt proceedings against Attorney General Eric Holder over the Fast and Furious "gunwalking" operation, CBS News has learned.


The case for a citation declaring Holder in contempt will be laid out in a briefing paper and 48-page draft citation distributed to Democrats and Republicans on the committee. CBS News has obtained copies of both documents. In them, Republican members use strong language to accuse Holder of obstructing the committee's investigation, which is now in its second year.


The documents allege that the Justice Department has issued, "false denials, given answers intended to misdirect investigators, sought to intimidate witnesses, unlawfully withheld subpoenaed documents, and waited to be confronted with indisputable evidence before acknowledging uncomfortable facts."







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They'll make some noise about it, then Justice will release a few more documents. Rinse and repeat until Holder is out of office or the GOP no longer controls the House.

Even if they did hold Holder in Contempt, who is it that enforces such a charge again? Oh, that's right... the Justice Department.






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On Fast and Furious fueling violence in Mexico (p. 15):

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“In October 2010, cartel members kidnapped Mario Gonzalez Rodriguez, the brother of the Attorney General for the Mexican state of Chihuahua, where Juarez is located. The cartel posted a video of the kidnapped Rodriguez online, in which he alleged, under duress, that his sister had ordered killings at the behest of the Juarez cartel. The video went viral and became a major news story in Mexico. Two weeks later, Mexican authorities found Rodriguez’s body in a shallow grave. In a subsequent shootout with cartel members responsible for the murder, police arrested eight and recovered sixteen weapons. Two of these weapons traced back to Operation Fast and Furious. Although the Department of Justice learned that these weapons traced back to Fast and Furious almost immediately, no one informed the Mexican government. Not until congressional investigators were on the verge of learning the truth about the connection did an ATF agent in Mexico finally tell the Mexican Attorney General in June 2011 – seven months after Rodriguez’s murder.”



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On February 27, 2012, the Department produced eight pages pursuant to the subpoena.
These eight pages, given to the Committee by a whistleblower ten months earlier, were produced
only because a transcribed interview with a former Associate Deputy Attorney General was to
take place the next day.




On March 2, 2012, the Department produced 26 pages of documents pursuant to the October 12, 2011 subpoena. Five of these documents were about the Kingery. Fourteen documents – over half of the production – related to Wide Receiver. Seven pages were duplicate copies of a press release already produced to the Committee.



On March 16, 2012, the Department produced 357 pages of documents pursuant to the subpoena. Three hundred seven of these pages, or 86%, related to the Hernandez and Medrano cases from the prior Administration. Twenty other pages had been previously produced by the Department, and seven pages were publicly available on the Justice Department’s website.



On April 3, 2012, the Department produced 116 pages of documents pursuant to the subpoena. Forty four of these pages, or 38%, related to cases other than Fast and Furious.



On April 19, 2012, the Department produced 188 pages of documents pursuant to the subpoena.

The Department has produced a total of 6,959 pages to the Committee to date.





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took em long enough





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A lot of what the JD has produced has been heavily redacted. In one case a member of Congress got nothing but blank pages.

This is a dance that Holder is going to play and ultimately nothing will come of it unless there is a new administration in November.






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ultimately nothing will come of it






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Well at least with blank pages you can at least say they are transparent when back lit.





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Well at least with blank pages you can at least say they are transparent when back lit.


Well played, sir. Well played.






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Why does everyone here assume the Oversight Committee is entitled to all of the docs it is requesting?





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Why does everyone here assume the Oversight Committee is entitled to all of the docs it is requesting?


Good point. I think nothing should come of this either. Besides, this is Bush's fault anyway.






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Why does everyone here assume the Oversight Committee is entitled to all of the docs it is requesting?


Holder, when questioned about the docs was asked on more than one occasion if he was asserting executive privilege and he said no. So why should they not produce them?






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Why does everyone here assume the Oversight Committee is entitled to all of the docs it is requesting?


Because they are the Oversight Committee? Because it's the main investigative committee for the House and has the legal authority to investigate matters of mismanagement (which this falls under)?






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Holder, when questioned about the docs was asked on more than one occasion if he was asserting executive privilege and he said no. So why should they not produce them?



He explained this several times during the 7 or 8 times he has testified regarding this matter. Holder from the February hearing:

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…. Congress has sought answers to questions about law enforcement Operations Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious. And my colleagues and I at the Department of Justice have worked diligently to provide those answers. In addition to my frequent testimony before Congress, I have answered - and am continuing to answer - questions that have been submitted for the record during previous hearings. The Department also has responded to more than three dozen letters from members of Congress and facilitated numerous witness interviews. We also have submitted or made available for review more than 6,400 pages of documents to congressional investigators. This has been a significant undertaking for Department employees - and our efforts in this regard remain ongoing.

We also have provided Congress with virtually unprecedented access to internal deliberative documents to show how inaccurate information was initially conveyed in a letter sent to Senator Grassley on February 4, 2011. These documents show that Department officials relied on information provided by supervisors from the relevant components in the best position to know the facts. We now know that some of the information they provided was inaccurate. We also understand that, in subsequent interviews with congressional investigators, these supervisors have stated that they did not know at the time that the information they provided was inaccurate.
In producing internal communications regarding the drafting of the February 4th letter, the Department made a rare, limited exception to longstanding Executive Branch policy. This decision reflected unusual circumstances and allowed us to respond, in the most comprehensive way possible, to congressional concerns where the Department itself concluded that information in the letter was inaccurate. The documents we produced have answered the question of how that letter came to be drafted and put to rest questions about any intentional effort to mislead. All of our communications to Congress should be accurate and that is the standard I expect the Department to meet. At my direction, the Deputy Attorney General has instituted new procedures to increase safeguards in this area.

Prior administrations have recognized that robust internal communications would be chilled, and the Executive Branch’s ability to respond to oversight requests thereby impeded, if our internal communications concerning our responses to congressional oversight were disclosed to Congress. For both Branches, this would be an undesirable outcome. The appropriate functioning of the separation of powers requires that Executive Branch officials have the ability to communicate confidentially as they discuss how to respond to inquiries from Congress.


Also, they're not going to provide docs regarding ongoing prosecutions (Brian Terry murder prosecution for example), grand jury testimony, etc.







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Because they are the Oversight Committee? Because it's the main investigative committee for the House and has the legal authority to investigate matters of mismanagement (which this falls under)?


Still doesn't mean they are entitled to all of the docs they request






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Why does everyone here assume the Oversight Committee is entitled to all of the docs it is requesting?


I ask similar questions about our government and the IRS that you dems love for taking money out of my wallet and who regulate the shite out of businesses.






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Today, Rep. Trey Gowdy, a former federal and state prosecutor who prosecuted scores of firearms cases while working for the United States Attorney's Office, released the following statement in regards to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee resolution of contempt charges against Attorney General Eric Holder.


"It did not have to come to this. Congress has a constitutional responsibility to exercise oversight over the Executive Branch and that oversight responsibility began well over a year ago with respect to “Fast and Furious”. Despite repeated requests for documents, multiple appearances before various committees of Congress, and more than ample time to comply, the Department of Justice has still failed to answer fundamental questions about this ill-conceived, ill-executed firearms operation.”



“Congress has been patient - indeed too patient in my judgment - with the Department of Justice and its failure to comply with the lawful request for the production of documents. I understand that for some everything is political. Surely the Department of Justice can rise above petty, partisan politics and comply with a subpoena. The Department of Justice expects others to comply with subpoenas yet they will not do so themselves.”



“The Department of Justice is not just one more agency within the federal government. The Attorney General is not just one more political appointee put in place to advance one agenda or the other. Lady Justice is blindfolded for a reason. Not because she can't see who is in front of her but because she has the character, the self restraint, the love of law and order sufficient to keep her from looking. The Attorney General is the chief law enforcement officer for the United States. That is a role far and beyond mere politics.



“For us to make it as a republic the citizens must have confidence in the institutions of justice and must have confidence in the top law enforcement official in the country. How can they possibly have either if the Department of Justice is withholding documents, ignoring legal process, and providing no answers when lives have been lost and will continue to be lost as a result of this botched and terribly ill-conceived operation?”



“It should not have to come down to a contempt of congress resolution. But since it apparently is, we will do the jobs we swore allegiance to the Constitution to do. Even if others will not."



The Committees on the Judiciary and Oversight and Government Reform have been investigating “Fast and Furious” for over a year. To date, ATF Director Ken Melson has stepped down and U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke has resigned. Attorney General Holder continues to deny prior knowledge of the investigation, but documents show he had been informed of the operation more than 6 months before his May 3, 2011 testimony in a Judiciary Committee hearing focused on Department of Justice.






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The political dog and pony show continues...





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They are demanding an admission of guilt. Whether anyone is guilty of anything, or not. Issa should be ashamed. Who pays his salary?

I've still not had an answer of exactly what Team Obama is guilty of. All you get "we can't know until they tell us."







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They are demanding an admission of guilt. Whether anyone is guilty of anything, or not. Issa should be ashamed


I think they're demanding documents....but I mean I'm just a partisan hack. I wouldn't know






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They are demanding an admission of guilt.


asking for documents is asking for guilt? Only if they're guilty you hack.

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Whether anyone is guilty of anything, or not. Issa should be ashamed.


His job is to do this DA. Why should he be ashamed for doing his job?

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Who pays his salary?


you do.






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