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fr33manator
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Paul's electability is a myth. He can't even win a single fricking primary. He's never won a single primary. Say that to yourself. A guy who can't win a single primary in his own party is supposed to defeat a sitting president of middling popularity?

please. the MSM is the reason that romney and the rest are in contention. morons will vote the way their masters tell them to vote.
i realize that paul won't win the nomination, bu if he did, he'd win. hardline repubs are gonna vote the R lever regardless. Paul is the only candidate who will pull in significant amounts of ind and dem votes in key states. Obama is barely better than bush on the war front, and he's curtailed our liberties worse than bushie. people are tired of the lies, but the Media (which is controlled by whom?), i gonna set their boy up to win by not acknowledging the only candidate who could beat him.

the American electorate is bought and paid for.






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Navytiger74
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please. the MSM is the reason that romney and the rest are in contention. morons will vote the way their masters tell them to vote.


Paul's lack of exposure to the less engaged voters to this point is the only reason that his favorables are as high as they are. Independents and democrats aren't going to vote for him once they find out some of the controversial, though admittedly principled, positions he's taken on the civil rights act, etc. The newsletters won't help.

Again, no in depth analysis is necessary here. Paul has never won a single primary state. Keep saying that to yourself. He's obviously missing something that winning candidates possess.






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fr33manator
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Again, no in depth analysis is necessary here. Paul has never won a single primary state. Keep saying that to yourself. He's obviously missing something that winning candidates possess.

Obviously. Exposure that the more media backed candidates are getting.
But can you argue that were he the nominee that he wouldn't win a substantial number of states? The electorate in general is too dumb to understand the nuances of politics anyway. They vote straight ticket. Paul is the only real candidate who differs from obama on major policy right now.
Sure, Obama will begin to float more left as election day approaches, but his record isn't that different from bushie's. Horrible. But I can't expect voters raised to believe that the MSM is the truth to see that.
Alas. More ever encroaching statism is ahead, no matter where we turn.






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Navytiger74
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Sure, Obama will begin to float more left as election day approaches, but his record isn't that different from bushie's. Horrible. But I can't expect voters raised to believe that the MSM is the truth to see that.
Alas. More ever encroaching statism is ahead, no matter where we turn.


There are many republicans who won't support Paul because of his foreign policy positions. There are independents who won't support him because of his stand on state's rights, his laissez faire economic philosophy (not a typical indy position), or his perceived indifference to civil/gay rights. Having a greater understanding of him, I'm not knocking him for those stands as a Republican. I disagree, but I get him. Many indies will hear "doesn't support civil rights act, doesn't support nationalized gay rights" and turn the other way. Hardcore pro-legalization and anti-war activists tend to live in states in which Obama has an insurmountable advantage and zero chance of losing.

Paul's a non-starter. I'm not going to be as douchey about it as I used to be, but there is a reason that he isn't taken especially seriously as a candidate. He can't convince the voters in states he's poured tons of time and resources into to vote for him.

Every other candidate has won at least two primaries. He has none. The media can't be entirely responsible for that.



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fr33manator
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Every other candidate has won at least two primaries. He has none. The media can't be entirely responsible for that.

Bull shite. The main stream media controls so much of the voting populace's minds it's insane. Until the voters that rely on the MSM die off, we won't have a chance for any real candidate that will diminish the Fed'l gov't because that hurts the bottom line of those in control.
But eventually the day will come when the citizenry wake up and realize the enemy is the Fed'l gov't, unless their plan to get enough voters on the dole to overwhelm any actual interest in freedom succeeds.






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That is a disaster....Obama is going to smash whoever the nominee is if they only have a few months to campaign as the nominee.





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Navytiger74
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Bull shite. The main stream media controls so much of the voting populace's minds it's insane. Until the voters that rely on the MSM die off, we won't have a chance for any real candidate that will diminish the Fed'l gov't because that hurts the bottom line of those in control.
But eventually the day will come when the citizenry wake up and realize the enemy is the Fed'l gov't, unless their plan to get enough voters on the dole to overwhelm any actual interest in freedom succeeds.


Three honest questions for you:

1. Do you think that there is a chance in hell that Paul will win?

2. Do you think the remaining GOP candidates are better options than the president?

3. If you answered no to (1) and yes to (2), how can you justify continued to support Paul.

I'm pretty sure that Romney and Gingrich will be at least marginally better than Obama. Not so sure about Santorum. That's why I think it's time to close up shop and concede the thing to Romney. He's going to get it eventually anyway.






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Navytiger74
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Bull shite. The main stream media controls so much of the voting populace's minds it's insane.


That's such a cop out. The MSM didn't support Cain's crazy ass, but he was able to connect with voters in a way Paul can't. It's as simple as that. He can't connect. If you want to blame the people for a leader's inability to inspire or educate them, I suggest you re-examine your ideas aobut leadership.






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TenTex
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If Romney cannot get the votes it will be a horrible battle. The conservative lunatics from the Santorum/Gingrich side will never, ever support Romney/Paul, the religious right still believes Mormonism is a cult. Because the hate from Santorum/Gingrich is so severe it will prevent the Romeny/Paul side from ever being able to support Santorum/Gingrich side. I also suspect huge fissures to develop between the Santorum and Gingrich ego's. Neither one will bow to the other. I think this is where the Bush factor will come into play delivering a Romney nomination. The Bush supporters cannot stomach a Santorum or Gingrich nomination. And remember, Christy is not stupid by throwing his support behind Romney so early. He knows how this is going to play out. The only benefit for Jeb Bush is to play peacemaker setting himself up for a 2016 run if he wants it.





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That is a disaster....Obama is going to smash whoever the nominee is if they only have a few months to campaign as the nominee.


The GOP needs this fight in my opinion. Romney has EVERY advantage and still cannot close this thing out. The average voter does not want him and who can blame them. Nobody trust him! If the party gets to a brokered convention and Jeb, Daniels or Christie are the nominee then 90% of the party will jump on board.

Romney, Santorum and Newt are ALL polling @ 14% with Hispanics. Obama is at 53% with women while Romney is 37%. Independents have an unfavorable overall negative view of all the GOP candidates. My point is this has become the worst campaign in memory and Obama has not even started on the nominee. The GOP is treading on a 5-8% loss and may not pick up the Senate or could even lose the House. That's how bad these candidates look to Hispanics, Women and Independents.






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Navytiger74
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The GOP needs this fight in my opinion. Romney has EVERY advantage and still cannot close this thing out. The average voter does not want him and who can blame them. Nobody trust him! If the party gets to a brokered convention and Jeb, Daniels or Christie are the nominee then 90% of the party will jump on board.

Romney, Santorum and Newt are ALL polling @ 14% with Hispanics. Obama is at 53% with women while Romney is 37%. Independents have an unfavorable overall negative view of all the GOP candidates. My point is this has become the worst campaign in memory and Obama has not even started on the nominee. The GOP is treading on a 5-8% loss and may not pick up the Senate or could even lose the House. That's how bad these candidates look to Hispanics, Women and Independents.


Agree that the candidates are pretty shoddy, but it's too late for anyone to jump in. If they or their supporters thought they were hot shit, they should have had the balls to get in before now. Unles someone truly phenomenal is nominated, the borkered solultion will burn at least a good number of the enthusiastic supporters and big money doners of the guys who actually put it on the line and ran.

And, for the last time, I like Jeb and think he would have made a better president than his older brother. I liked President GWB as a person, but honestly think he was a pretty bad president. I like George H.W. Bush and can tell you that he is terribly underrated and that most republicans would kill to have someone of his calibre running.

But there will not be another Bush president anytime soon. Probably not in our lifetimes. GWB really turned a lot of people off, and the idea of three presidents from one immediate family potentially occupying the Oval Office for 20 of the last 32 years (by 2021) will probably be pretty unappealling to most people.






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Interception
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I'm just saying that the damage these 3 have caused may lead to the party losing all 3 branches of government. That's how bad this is getting.





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TheDoc
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Paul's what we need, but Romney's what we're getting. Actually, 4 more years of Obama is what we're getting. If Romney is nominated, republicans will stay home in Droves and Obama will cruise to an easy reelection.


I agree with all of this.






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Gmorgan4982
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Romney and Republicans are so pathetic that I'm actually pulling for Obama just to watch them all cry in November.

Let me get this straight: Republicans hate Obama and want a change and want smaller, more conservative government so they nominate Mitt Romney. Really?






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TheDoc
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I'll vote for Paul no matter who the candidate is.

I know he won't win. That's not the point for me.

What's funny is, even when Romney gets slaughtered in November, 4 years from now, the GOP will put him back up as a candidate or another neocon like him and get slaughtered again.

And they'll wonder why






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Navytiger74
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I'm just saying that the damage these 3 have caused may lead to the party losing all 3 branches of government. That's how bad this is getting.


Santorum would get smoked among women and independents, and would really mobilize a lot of Obama's base. Gingrich was my first choice, but his negatives are insurmoutable (about 60% with 99% name recognition). Plus he's bound to step on his own dick at least a few times between now and November.

Romney won't mobilize the Democratic base for the same reason he won't excite the Republican base. They probably suspect that he's non-ideologically committed and therefore pretty pliable. The big concern with him will be the potential for a real defection among Republicans who just don't like him and those who are creeped out by his faith. The only hope is that Obama himself gets Republicans out to vote. Unfortunatley, most of those who hate him most already live in deep red states.



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Romney and Republicans are so pathetic that I'm actually pulling for Obama just to watch them all cry in November.



At this point I hate Romney and the Republican establishment more than I hate Obama.


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Let me get this straight: Republicans hate Obama and want a change and want smaller, more conservative government so they nominate Mitt Romney. Really?



I know, right?


But...but...he's going to attract moderates and independents like John McCain did!






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Aubie Spr96
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Exactly. Four more years of Obama might be the wake up call that America needs.





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Navytiger74
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But...but...he's going to attract moderates and independents like John McCain did!


In the political climate of 2008, with Palin on the ticket, the GOP was damned lucky to lose to Obama by 7. Anybody else who ran may well have lost by 10 or 12. It's pretty silly to keep pretending as though McCain is the reason that Obama won. It was a Democratic year. That's why Hillary hung on so long. The nomination was as good as winning a party's nomination in most congressional districts.






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slackhouse
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Four more years of Obama might be the wake up call that America needs.

4 years of Romney would be about the same.

The reason that many of us want a brokered convention is because we realize that Romney is not a conservative. He's as liberal as liberal can be. He is beating his war drum over Iran, along with Gingrich and Santorum. Why would any real conservative be excited about any of those candidates?

Who cares if a brokered convention assures an Obama victory? Romney would be just as bad for our country as Obama.

The only hope for true conservatives, at this point, is that a brokered convention can cause a shake up of massive proportions. Then, maybe, just maybe, someone within the Republican party will open their eyes and see that nominating conservative Democrats with a R by their name isn't enough.






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