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EBR used to have outstanding schools until the federal government destroyed the system.


If this is true, just another example of the big brother gov't overstepping their bounds.

The federal gov't absolutely disgusts me these days. Just a big fat blob of bureaucracy that can't walk on its own. It's like watching a 600 pound person trying to walk.






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Jim Rockford
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EBR used to have outstanding schools for whites until the federal government destroyed the system because the school board stonewalled and refused to integrate on its own


FIFY






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LuckySo-n-So
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why don't yall have neighborhood schools anyway?


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EBR was racist in the 60s so the federal courts decided a deseg policy that basically made everyone go to random schools


true.

Even though the lawsuit was filed in 1957, BR still had mostly neighborhood, majority white schools through the 70s. There were three majority black schools (Capitol, McKinley, and Scotlandville, while Glen Oaks was close to 50/50).

In 1982, Federal judge John Parker and the NAACP decided that the school system was not moving fast enough to desegregate, so he instituted a very aggressive busing plan that went into effect just a couple months before the start of the 1982-83 school year. Students were sent all over the parish. Bus times were often over 2 hours for some students, who often had to be at the bus stop around 5 am. I was registered to go to Baton Rouge Magnet High School, but I was moved to the new Scotlandville Magnet High school. Of course, there was no way I was going there, so I ended up going to my new regular school, Istrouma--big mistake(Glen Oaks was my original neighborhood school).

When this new plan was instituted, white families in EBR went ape shite.

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so, basically, everyone [white family] who could, put their kids in private schools


This was the great "White Flight" of the 1980s. People moved to Livingston Parish, Ascension Parish, and sent their kids to schools like Parkview, Runnels, Dunham, Starkey Academy, and a few other now defunct schools that I can't think of.

The EBR Public schools went from about 100,000 students, majority white to 70,000 students at about 55 percent white in just a few short years. By the time the lawsuit was settled and ended in 2003 (2003!!!) , the school system was at less than 50,000 students and about 80 percent black. Today there are less than 43,000 students in the system. (For example, my Alma Mater, Istrouma High School was one of the best public schools in the country in the 1950s and 1960s. It also had an enrollment of about 2300 students at its peak. there were never more than 900 when I was there, and I don't think there are more than 500 or 600 now. And it's a real shite hole

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add in the dysfunctional developments over the last 3 decades and it's a horrible system

and we can't change it without the feds saying it's ok


That's the legacy of "separate but equal".

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EBR used to have outstanding schools for whites until the federal government destroyed the system because the school board stonewalled and refused to integrate on its own
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FIFY


Yup.



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cssamerican
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I understood Zachary and Baker because forces busing was going on then. The Central and now Woodlawn pull outs look like an attempt to segregate. The students are not being forced out of their local school, they don't want outsiders in. I just don't see how this is going to continued to be allowed before it becomes about race and separate but equal.





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urinetrouble
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I think the new school district could be successful, but it depends on how many people take the initial leap of faith. I think a lot of people in the area would prefer good neighborhood public schools over private schools. Right now you have kids from Gardere being bussed to Woodlawn.

You still have a decent percentage of middle class whites using some of the schools in the area that are currently operated by the parish school board (for example, Shenandoah Elementary is 50/50 I believe). That makes me think that there are likely a good number of people on the fence and this might be the change needed to sway them. With the demographics surrounding the Woodlawn schools, the make-up of some of these schools could change quickly with some of the new neighborhood based districts. For example, Woodlawn High School immediately losing all the kids in the Gardere area.

Also, the parochial schools in the proposed new district don't have nearly as much tradition and allegiance as some of the others in the parish. Even if the public schools in EBR became awesome overnight, there are still plenty of people who would send their children to schools like CHS and SJA because of strong multi-generational family ties. I don't think you can say the same thing about schools like St. Michael's, Parkview Baptist, or Runnels. The only one that I think would remain strong if the district is successful would be EHS.






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LuckySo-n-So
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The Central and now Woodlawn pull outs look like an attempt to segregate.
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they don't want outsiders in.


It's painfully obvious. No matter how much they try to make it about any other reason, there is no way they can keep the perception anything other than an attempt to keep "undesirables" out of their system.

Reminds me of the "Independent School District" phenomenon of the 50s and 60s.






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fr33manator
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It's painfully obvious. No matter how much they try to make it about any other reason, there is no way they can keep the perception anything other than an attempt to keep "undesirables" out of their system.

What is wrong with wanting to keep "undesirables" out of an otherwise good system? Especially when the "undesirables" are bussed in from somewhere else?






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geaux70816
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I am afraid that this debate will never advance because we all hide behind race. Are there some racists who support a move such as this proposed district because it achieves a majority white public high school in the city? Surely they exist. However, does that make the proposal itself racist? Does it make anyone who supports a true neighborhood school system racist? Does it make anyone who states that EBR's public school system has essentially collapsed in the last 30 years racist? Surely it does not.
"Undesirables" are not that because of race. They are that because of a culture of dependency, disrepect, and violence that has been the only life many of them have ever known. In small numbers, they (whether they be black, white, hispanic, etc.) have a chance to assimilate into a more productive and less violent culture in which respect, academic achievement, and a strong work ethic replace hedonism, narcissism, and glorification of violence. But when they are in large numbers, the latter consumes the former.
I wish this could be about the actions and the mindsets and not the skin color. Alas, that would make too much sense. BEWARE THOSE WHO MAKE THIS ABOUT RACE! THEY DO SO TO RUN FROM THE REAL PROBLEMS! IT IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AND IRRESPONSIBLE.






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CarrolltonTiger
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EBR used to have outstanding schools for whites until the federal government destroyed the system because the school board stonewalled and refused to integrate on its own


So you beleive there was a path to integration that could have worked in areas with significant numbers of negroes?

You believe the failure was becasue the Federal government created the plan? Interesting hundreds of jurisdictions with a variety of plans and all failures.

Please shere, that has been sought for over 50 years but noone has found it. How do you convince functional parents to frick over their children for a myth?






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VOR
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So you beleive there was a path to integration that could have worked in areas with significant numbers of negroes?

You believe the failure was becasue the Federal government created the plan? Interesting hundreds of jurisdictions with a variety of plans and all failures.

Please shere, that has been sought for over 50 years but noone has found it. How do you convince functional parents to frick over their children for a myth?


Ah, sometimes you do have the balls to come perilously close to saying outright, in no uncertain terms, what you mean.






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Woodlawn would be one of the top schools in the state both academically










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Shaun176
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Issues facing the new district:
1. Overcrowding. The new district would have 1 high school which was built for 1500 students. The proposed area has about 2200 students that currently attend ebr schools between Woodlawn, Tara, McKinley, and baton rouge high. That does not include the private school students who would enroll. Day 1 Woodlawn high would have 2500-3000 kids. Same problem would exist with the 2 middle schools. Elementary schools would probably be ok because there are more of them. Ebr has not been building enough schools in SE BR to keep up with the population shift. Building enough classroom space would require a huge tax commitment by SE BR residents.

2. If SE BR pulls out and enough private school families enroll to push the ratio above 70% white, it would probably be enough to push the entire metro area into being classified as "de facto" segregated. Which could mean court ordered busing that includes central, Zachary, SE BR, livingston, and ascension.

I think they could prevent these problems by extending the new district to Florida blvd. The Sherwood Forrest/ broadmoor area has a lot of school sites, 1 high school, 2 middle schools, 4 elementary schools. The area also has a lot of minorities. Probably enough to keep the district around 60/40 even with the private school kids.

The pull out could be good. It just has to be done with forethought,






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geaux70816
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Those are some good things to consider. The question is if SE BR has a wide-ranging commitment to this in the vein of Central and Zachary. Certainly, the worst-case scenario would be to invite those mavens of school districting, the federal judiciary, to work their self-righteous destruction again by having too many appearances of de facto segregation. The Florida Blvd. idea is intriguing, but I think that flies in the face of community schools. SE BR is pretty easily defined geographically, and stretching it for numbers sake could be a slippery slope that erodes support for the huge endeavor. I think there is a certain ethos in SE BR that is shared among all races there that is not shared in the Sherwood area.





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CarrolltonTiger
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Ah, sometimes you do have the balls to come perilously close to saying outright, in no uncertain terms, what you mean.


Perhaps one day you will actually say something with meaning.

Can you answer those questions?






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VOR
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Can you answer those questions?


There is no easy answer. Any possibility of those evaporated in the 19th Century, if not before.

No matter what is done, in my opinion you're looking at very long term generational changes, at best. Who know? Maybe intermarriage will have solved your problem two hundred years from now.






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LuckySo-n-So
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re: Southeast Baton Rouge School District Proposed


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Shaun176


Good post.

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I think they could prevent these problems by extending the new district to Florida blvd.


That's asking a lot. Also, by extending to Florida Blvd. and including the Sherwood Forest/Broadmoor area, certain parts of the Baton Rouge city limits will be incorporated into the new district. Can they do that? (I don't know, so I'm asking) Was the "City of Central" located entirely outside of the city limits of BR?

This new district is also 80% (more, probably) Republican. In such an anti-tax atmosphere, can they be relied on to vote new taxes upon themselves? Remember, this is a different situation than Central. I don't think SE BR is planning to form its own new "city", are they?






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CarrolltonTiger
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There is no easy answer.


As usual you avoid answering anything that requires a committment. You can take a shot. You are the best liberal poster in the eyes of some, you must be able to say something besides you are opposed to slavery and you like Mitch Landrieu.

Again:

Do you beleive there was a path to integration that could have worked in areas with significant numbers of negroes? (Yes or NO question)

dO YOU believe the failure was becasue the Federal government created the plan? (AGAIN YES OR NO, not really that tough)

Where in the hundreds of jurisdictions with a variety of plans was there not failure? (this is harder actually takes some knowledge)

Please shere, your plan one that has been sought for over 50 years but no one has found it. (this is tough, what would have worked in your opinion?)

How do you convince functional parents to frick over their children for a myth? (This one could be tough for you)






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VOR
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re: Southeast Baton Rouge School District Proposed


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Do you beleive there was a path to integration that could have worked in areas with significant numbers of negroes? (Yes or NO question)


First, it is not a yes or no question. Second, I do believe we would be a lot better off today had our predecessors made a serious effort to educate and assist in the assmilation of the freed slaves and other black people into the mainstream. It would still have been a slow process with no single answer or no single solution.

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dO YOU believe the failure was becasue the Federal government created the plan? (AGAIN YES OR NO, not really that tough)


The failure of what? EBR? I don't know. If left to its own devices, EBR would have done nothing in all likelihood.

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Where in the hundreds of jurisdictions with a variety of plans was there not failure? (this is harder actually takes some knowledge)


It would take some research, but I'm sure some districts have worked out better than others. I'm not an avid proponent of busing, btw.

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Please shere, your plan one that has been sought for over 50 years but no one has found it. (this is tough, what would have worked in your opinion?)


A combination of approaches begun long ago would have been helpful. Now we just have to keep working at it. Interesting that I've never seen you offer any specifics other than allowing who you gleefully refer to as "dysfunctionals" to either stay in their place or be completely segregated from "functional" society.






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VOR
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How do you convince functional parents to frick over their children for a myth?


Here is a question for you.

Without being a pussy, tell us exactly what . . . don't fudge . . . exactly what is the "myth"?



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LuckySo-n-So
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