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No, I just think your argument is philosophical garbage.


ok so you think when I say I look at the world and see that all things are finite objects, at-least it appears this way. At one point fails to exist and one point exists. And when I begin to think how something that can fail to exist can exist, I think oh something that exists creates it. Now if everything was finite in nature, then there would be a time when nothing exists, by the simple fact that eventually you would have to reach a starting point in history. But this is obvious BS, so I know there must be something that isn't finite and rather infinite, can't fail to exist. That this is all garbage.

Or think about Aristotle's way of describing it, if all things have the potentiality to exist, then can anything exist? No nothing potential can come out of potential without an agent that is active, not potential. So if everything in the universe is potential, then nothing can exist. Or if everything can just be potential then there will be a thing that can't exist. Both of these claims are absurd for aristotle. there must be something that can't be potentially existent but rather be always existing. Always acting, meaning always bringing things from potential to actual.






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About as much as this guy has to do with Christ.


just in name I know






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You may be shocked to find out that to many people, it isn't. You may also be shocked to find out that the word "god" is not owned by catholics.....


I understand, so are you saying this particle is the ultimate explanation of the universe, but not a argument for God.

I'm interested to know the significance of this particle, and why it would be called a god particle.

btw I know god has been around for a long time before Catholics existed. I'm not an idiot.






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I believe Science can prove God's existence








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ok so you think when I say I look at the world and see that all things are finite objects, at-least it appears this way. At one point fails to exist and one point exists. And when I begin to think how something that can fail to exist can exist, I think oh something that exists creates it. Now if everything was finite in nature, then there would be a time when nothing exists, by the simple fact that eventually you would have to reach a starting point in history. But this is obvious BS, so I know there must be something that isn't finite and rather infinite, can't fail to exist. That this is all garbage.


You can't tell, but you're making all sorts of logical leaps in this argument.







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I understand, so are you saying this particle is the ultimate explanation of the universe, but not a argument for God.


Based on this comment...no, you don;t understand.

Why not spend some time researching the Higgs-Bososn? It would do you some good to educate yourself about the science. I'm sure they won't excommunicate you for it.

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I'm interested to know the significance of this particle, and why it would be called a god particle.



try google, try the CERN website. There is a wealth of information available to you.






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You can't tell, but you're making all sorts of logical leaps in this argument.


like what?

I guess you could say that I made a logical jump by saying that there is a time when nothing exists and this is absurd. But the simple fact that there must be a starting point in reality, if nothing exists the time before that starting point would be that time that nothing existed.






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Based on this comment...no, you don;t understand.

Why not spend some time researching the Higgs-Bososn? It would do you some good to educate yourself about the science. I'm sure they won't excommunicate you for it.


so is it anything more then a scientific explanation for why things have mass.

I just watched a video trying to get an understanding of it.






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I'm interested to know the significance of this particle,


LINK






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Has the 'God Particle' Been Found?


I am certain that God knows where it is, if it exists, since He made it and all - if it exists.

Colossians 1:17 - "He (Jesus) is before all things and in Him all things hold together."






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so is it anything more then a scientific explanation for why things have mass.



the fact you don't see how big a revelation this is to physics is astounding to me. It actually gives mass...

This is the debate between two competing theories in physics. The whole CERN project is basically an experiment to figure out which one is right.

And you dismiss is so casually....Let me put it this way, this could very likely be the greatest scientific breakthrough in your lifetime.






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the fact you don't see how big a revelation this is to physics is astounding to me. It actually gives mass...

This is the debate between two competing theories in physics. The whole CERN project is basically an experiment to figure out which one is right.

And you dismiss is so casually....Let me put it this way, this could very likely be the greatest scientific breakthrough in your lifetime.


I guess I just haven't really read into this whole idea so much yet. I can see why finding the particle that gives everything in the universe mass would be a huge breakthrough. I guess I'm more concerned on the side what does this tell us about the ultimate meaning of the universe. Does this do anything more then just say we have found the particle that tells us what gives everything its mass.

I'll admit it I'm not much of a science guy, many parts of science don't interest me as much as some of you guys do. even thug I do love the astronomical sciences.

I like philosophical thought much more then scientific thought, and when I look at stories like this, that are going to be big break throughs in science. I think of the philosophical significance of the breakthrough rather then the science. Its just the way my brain is wired. You obviously see the scientific significance and that seems to be more important.

I'm trying to get an grasp on this stuff.






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Doctor Radical


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Colossians 1:17 - "He (Jesus) is before all things and in Him all things hold together."



Since you believe that verse, do you believe this one also? It states that at some point in time, all will be saved. There is no eternal hell.

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Col 1:
20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.






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They're going to frick around and frick around, colliding this and colliding that, when one day they will have collided two things that should never have touched, creating a speck of nothingness that inexorably grows to obliterate all matter in the universe. Not that it matters.






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I'm trying to get an grasp on this stuff.




scientific breakthroughs are not the overarching philosophical breakthroughs.

Most of the time it's usually settling a decision between competing theories. Basically if they found it, we can check off which math is correct and go about stretching it to the next problem and applying it more ubiquitously.

The science fiction/philosophical moment where the scientist says "Eureka! I've discovered how the entire universe works and understand the mysteries of life, all from this one experiment"

never happens in real life. If they found the higgs-boson, it will be the closest you see real life to ever getting to that point in your lifetime, most likely.






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scientific breakthroughs are not the overarching philosophical breakthroughs.

Most of the time it's usually settling a decision between competing theories. Basically if they found it, we can check off which math is correct and go about stretching it to the next problem and applying it more ubiquitously.

The science fiction/philosophical moment where the scientist says "Eureka! I've discovered how the entire universe works and understand the mysteries of life, all from this one experiment"

never happens in real life. If they found the higgs-boson, it will be the closest you see real life to ever getting to that point in your lifetime, most likely.


alright, I think the reason I'm not seeing the significance of this is that I just didn't know much about it. I'm ignorant on the current scientific researches and such.

Sorry I kinda hijacked this thread. But I hope you can see how the title can be alittle misleading

I have exams to study for so I'm going to stop my discussion of this topic.






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They're going to frick around and frick around, colliding this and colliding that, when one day they will have collided two things that should never have touched, creating a speck of nothingness that inexorably grows to obliterate all matter in the universe. Not that it matters.



Never gonna happen, Joe...






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. I'm ignorant on the current scientific researches and such.




the leading edge of physics is so bizarre math heavy it boggles the mind.

I mean the math, which you need to understand to understand the physics and the point, is strange stuff...well over the head of just about everyone.






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the fact you don't see how big a revelation this is to physics is astounding to me. It actually gives mass...

This is the debate between two competing theories in physics. The whole CERN project is basically an experiment to figure out which one is right.

And you dismiss is so casually....Let me put it this way, this could very likely be the greatest scientific breakthrough in your lifetime.


It's not THAT exciting. It would be a lot better if the Higgs wasn't there, which would force us to admit that the Standard Model is wrong. I would be quite disappointed if this were the greatest breakthrough in my lifetime, but it would be a spectacular validation for the Higgs theory. Standard Model is so clunky...

Also, you don't have to be so condescending in all of your posts man. It's not like you're a particle physicist, sheesh.






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