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re: Why did Bill Walsh quit after only 10 years at SF?
Posted on 12/24/13 at 2:00 am to DelU249
Posted on 12/24/13 at 2:00 am to DelU249
TRUTH:
He regretted it.
Read the "Finding the Winning Edge" which you can't find now except for crazy prices.
He had decided to detail his life an coaching philosophy into one book. This was going to be it.
And he did.
He was burnt out.
He thought that last title was so hard to achieve...Niners weren't favorites heading into the playoffs to win it all in 1988 by far.
He was a taskmasker who felt he was losing his grip.
Even most Niners admitted...Bill's mantra had run cold.
It is revisionist history...that it was a stupid retirement at the time.
Even Bill Walsh...as part of that revisionist history...regretted retiring...because they won it so easily the next year....
With the GOAT...team. 1989 Niners.
But the successor doesn't get any credit.
It was very dysfunctional at the end of Walsh's reign in 1988. Maybe they don't win it again with him...IDK...
But it wasn't the owners...it was burnout and repeated messages over 10 years that had become deaf to a team.
The Niners actually welcomed the change.
Bill Walsh deserves all the credit in the world. But he doesn't deserve the credit for 1989 entirely because each year is different...and like all dynasties...he was approaching over-staying his welcome. There's no guarantee they win it again with Walsh.
They barely won it the year before with Walsh...they next year they steamrolled...fresh blood.
He regretted it.
Read the "Finding the Winning Edge" which you can't find now except for crazy prices.
He had decided to detail his life an coaching philosophy into one book. This was going to be it.
And he did.
He was burnt out.
He thought that last title was so hard to achieve...Niners weren't favorites heading into the playoffs to win it all in 1988 by far.
He was a taskmasker who felt he was losing his grip.
Even most Niners admitted...Bill's mantra had run cold.
It is revisionist history...that it was a stupid retirement at the time.
Even Bill Walsh...as part of that revisionist history...regretted retiring...because they won it so easily the next year....
With the GOAT...team. 1989 Niners.
But the successor doesn't get any credit.
It was very dysfunctional at the end of Walsh's reign in 1988. Maybe they don't win it again with him...IDK...
But it wasn't the owners...it was burnout and repeated messages over 10 years that had become deaf to a team.
The Niners actually welcomed the change.
Bill Walsh deserves all the credit in the world. But he doesn't deserve the credit for 1989 entirely because each year is different...and like all dynasties...he was approaching over-staying his welcome. There's no guarantee they win it again with Walsh.
They barely won it the year before with Walsh...they next year they steamrolled...fresh blood.
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Posted on 12/24/13 at 6:56 am to molsusports
quote:
Personally I think Walsh had such a crush on Montana he would have refused to phase him out for Young... and that would have meant only one more Super Bowl win instead of the two more that Siefert managed.
Actually, Walsh was very close to phasing Montana out during the '88 season (which ended up being the 3rd SB season). At one point, they were 5-5, Montana banged up and inconsistent at times.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:08 am to molsusports
quote:
Personally I think Walsh had such a crush on Montana he would have refused to phase him out for Young...
Your way off on this. It was Walsh that traded for Young.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:12 am to molsusports
quote:
yeah Siefert was a great replacement. The only thing that prevented the 49ers from winning more Super Bowls was other excellent teams like the Cowboys, Giants, and Packers winning the Super Bowl instead.
And the salary cap.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:36 am to Sophandros
It must have been depressing for an egomaniac like Walsh to witness the 49ers win a title the year he left.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:40 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:43 am to Zamoro10
quote:
Zamoro10
You ever read "The Genius"
Walsh biography from a few years ago?
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:20 am to BCMCubs
I read it. If I remember correctly his relationship with Montana continuously deteriorated as time wore on & he wasn't a fan of the new facilities the Niners moved into. I vaguely remember the 10 year thing too.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 2:28 pm to TigerintheNO
Seifert was not a great coach. he mostly coasted on what he had been handed. Not saying he was terrible or anything like that but I never though we ever won a game because of his coaching like i did with Bill. Although i do give George credit for loosening the reigns a little bit and being more of a players coach than Bill was which the 49ers probably benefited from somewhat.
But the major reason the 49ers couldn't get over the hump in 1990-1993 was because he was severely outclassed by Parcells and Jimmy Johnson (which never would have happened under Bill). The Niners had the most talent in football in 1990 and 1992 definitely. It wasn't until Switzer came to Dallas that the Niners won another title.
But the major reason the 49ers couldn't get over the hump in 1990-1993 was because he was severely outclassed by Parcells and Jimmy Johnson (which never would have happened under Bill). The Niners had the most talent in football in 1990 and 1992 definitely. It wasn't until Switzer came to Dallas that the Niners won another title.
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 12/24/13 at 2:37 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:
Burnout. Walsh was a genius but he didn't have the insatiable desire for winning like a Phil Jackson, John Wooden, Alex Ferguson, Scotty Bowman.
Who is Alex Ferguson and Scotty Bowman? Serious question.
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 12/24/13 at 2:39 pm to BeachDude022
quote:
Who is Alex Ferguson and Scotty Bowman? Serious question.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 2:42 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
Seifert was not a great coach. he mostly coasted on what he had been handed. Not saying he was terrible or anything like that but I never though we ever won a game because of his coaching like i did with Bill. Although i do give George credit for loosening the reigns a little bit and being more of a players coach than Bill was which the 49ers probably benefited from somewhat.
Seifert had a higher winning percentage with the 9ers than Walsh did. He was also probably the most underrated defensive coordinator of his era.
As someone who remembers those days, I think the Saints actually had more success against Walsh than they did Seifert. Yes, he followed the genius who turned around a moribund organization, but lots of people forget how ferocious those Seifert teams were.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 2:44 pm to EmperorGout
Yup:
Judging Seifert by his days in Carolina is like judging Walsh by his time at Stanford.
quote:
As a 49er assistant, his defenses finished in the top ten in fewest points allowed in each of his six seasons in that capacity: fourth in 1983, first in 1984, second in 1985, third in 1986 and 1987, and eighth in 1988. His final two defenses, 1987 and 1988, finished first and third in fewest yards allowed, respectively. On his 49th birthday, the 49ers won the Super Bowl in 1988.
Judging Seifert by his days in Carolina is like judging Walsh by his time at Stanford.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 2:47 pm to EmperorGout
So in summary, as a coordinator his squads won 2 super bowls and never finished outside the top 10. As a head coach he won 2 super bowls almost 80% of his games.
But clearly he sucked.
But clearly he sucked.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 2:56 pm to EmperorGout
i mean you can say that all you want and thats fine. I'm a 49er fan and I know a hell of a lot more about what George Seifert was like as a head coach than you do.
He didn't suck and I went out of the way to say that, but he was not a "great" coach by any stretch of the imagination. He was average to good and when he went up against great coaches in the playoffs he lost just about every single time.
He didn't suck and I went out of the way to say that, but he was not a "great" coach by any stretch of the imagination. He was average to good and when he went up against great coaches in the playoffs he lost just about every single time.
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 12/24/13 at 3:23 pm to Zamoro10
quote:
With the GOAT...team. 1989 Niners.
LOL.....NO. A great team but the 1985 Bears would have shut them down....
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