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Just saw Only God Forgives, what the hell did I watch?
Posted on 8/26/13 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 8/26/13 at 11:35 pm
Damn that was a weird, slow arse movie. I actually liked it enough but maybe its for a niche market that I just don't get. It was on the verge of having just enough action, but falling short each scene. \
Kristin Scott Thomas made the movie.
Kristin Scott Thomas made the movie.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 11:37 pm to CockRocket
First off, the visuals and sfx were phenomenal. I think everyone, lovers and haters alike, can agree on that. Refn's trademark— he is truly a master in these regards. I think the omnipresent red lighting represented Julian's hell that he is trapped in.
SPOILERS
The story, while a little bare-boned, was chock full of symbolism and great imagery. The Oedipus Rex subplot was interesting (save for the gratuitous literalization of it towards the end— you know what im talking about), and explains a ton about Julian. Chang obviously was supposed to be the Old Testament God-like character, while Crystal was the devil, with Julian stuck in the middle.
Hands were a recurring image. They were supposed to represent masculinity/power. Julian offering his hands to be lopped off at the end represents his surrender; his masculinity is useless to him because he was never able to escape Crystal's influence (tying back to the Oedipus complex). He knows his hands (power) are useless, so he allows Chang to chop them off. Julian always knew that Crystal's influence was dominating, that he would never break free, and that he doesn't need his masculinity, represented by the constant visions of Chang's sword swinging throughout the movie.
My chief complaint was the nonexistent character development. There was none, save for Julian's artificial forgiveness-seeking arc in the last 3rd of the movie.
/SPOILERS
I thought Kristin Scott Thomas killed it as Crystal. She owned the screen when she was on. The guy that played Chang was really good too.
Violence wasn't nearly as gratuitous as people make it out to be IMO, the aforementioned scene notwithstanding. May just be me though.
This movie really is a love it/hate it affair. Some people just don't like the kind of movies that Refn/Lynch/Malick make, and that's okay. This movie is a perfect example of the great divide. If you dig the style of these directors, you will love it. If not, you won't. I really liked the repression theme. Good movie. I'd watch it again.
SPOILERS
The story, while a little bare-boned, was chock full of symbolism and great imagery. The Oedipus Rex subplot was interesting (save for the gratuitous literalization of it towards the end— you know what im talking about), and explains a ton about Julian. Chang obviously was supposed to be the Old Testament God-like character, while Crystal was the devil, with Julian stuck in the middle.
Hands were a recurring image. They were supposed to represent masculinity/power. Julian offering his hands to be lopped off at the end represents his surrender; his masculinity is useless to him because he was never able to escape Crystal's influence (tying back to the Oedipus complex). He knows his hands (power) are useless, so he allows Chang to chop them off. Julian always knew that Crystal's influence was dominating, that he would never break free, and that he doesn't need his masculinity, represented by the constant visions of Chang's sword swinging throughout the movie.
My chief complaint was the nonexistent character development. There was none, save for Julian's artificial forgiveness-seeking arc in the last 3rd of the movie.
/SPOILERS
I thought Kristin Scott Thomas killed it as Crystal. She owned the screen when she was on. The guy that played Chang was really good too.
Violence wasn't nearly as gratuitous as people make it out to be IMO, the aforementioned scene notwithstanding. May just be me though.
This movie really is a love it/hate it affair. Some people just don't like the kind of movies that Refn/Lynch/Malick make, and that's okay. This movie is a perfect example of the great divide. If you dig the style of these directors, you will love it. If not, you won't. I really liked the repression theme. Good movie. I'd watch it again.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 11:41 pm to CockRocket
That movie was dick surgery to watch, but I'd give that old bag of bones the thimble for a good 3 minutes.
Posted on 8/26/13 at 11:47 pm to Carson123987
Cool, good post. I agree with just about everything you posted. I definitely didn't hate it but didn't love it, more, I want(ed) to love it. Almost like I want a sequel or something.
I didn't have any expectations going in (hadn't even seen the trailer) but I just watched The Place Beyond the Pines recently and really liked it so I wanted to watch another Gosling movie.
I didn't have any expectations going in (hadn't even seen the trailer) but I just watched The Place Beyond the Pines recently and really liked it so I wanted to watch another Gosling movie.
quote:Could you recommend some other movies that were kind of like this one? I wouldn't mind giving it another shot.
Some people just don't like the kind of movies that Refn/Lynch/Malick make, and that's okay. This movie is a perfect example of the great divide. If you dig the style of these directors, you will love it. If not, you won't.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:04 am to Carson123987
This movie reminded me so much of Tokyo Drifter.
the way Refn used colors, the music, lounge singer... everything.
my thread on tokyo drifter
the way Refn used colors, the music, lounge singer... everything.
my thread on tokyo drifter
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:27 am to CockRocket
quote:
Could you recommend some other movies that were kind of like this one? I wouldn't mind giving it another shot.
Drive. Although I preferred Only God Forgives.
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 12:28 am
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:33 am to Brosef Stalin
quote:
Drive. Although I preferred Only God Forgives.
Don't say that too loud.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:33 am to CockRocket
quote:
Cool, good post
quote:
. I agree with just about everything you posted. I definitely didn't hate it but didn't love it, more, I want(ed) to love it. Almost like I want a sequel or something.
i didnt love it either, but it was a good movie imo. i hear you.
You didn't mention Drive, so I'm guessing you haven't seen it. It's the same director as OGF (Nicholas Winding Refn) and it has Ryan Gosling, and it is a very good movie. I highly recommend it.
Also, check out Terrence Malick and David Lynch. They are guys whose movies, like Refn's, have jaw dropping visuals and are beautifully shot. For Malick, check out Badlands, Days of Heaven, and Tree of Life. For Lynch (my favorite), watch Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive, Elephant Man, and Lost Highway. Very surreal stuff and it's a joy to watch
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 12:35 am
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:46 am to Carson123987
Thanks, I'll definitely watch Drive, especially since it seemed more mainstream. If I get the chance to see some of the others you mentioned, I'll try to not pass them up.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:48 am to CockRocket
no doubt. drive is on netflix instant so you can check it out there.
here's a badass scene from Lost Highway. no spoilers, just to show the creepy vibe from the movie
LINK
blue velvet and mulholland drive are all-time greats, and you should definitely watch those
enjoy
here's a badass scene from Lost Highway. no spoilers, just to show the creepy vibe from the movie
LINK
blue velvet and mulholland drive are all-time greats, and you should definitely watch those
enjoy
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 12:50 am
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:27 am to Carson123987
Can't wait to see this.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:34 am to CockRocket
I watched this flick again over the weekend. It puts me in one hell of an enjoyable trance. Pills and a couple of beers help with that too.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 7:08 am to CockRocket
Carson gives good info on this one. I didn't enjoy it at all. The recurring images of his hands led me to believe that he was going to use them more effectively. But he didn't.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 7:38 am to jojothetireguy
My wife and I walked out of the theatre after about an hour. I get that some people enjoy that type of movie, but it wasn't for us. I don't enjoy torture scenes, and I didn't have any appreciation for the symbolism in the movie.
Supposedly it gets better at the end, but I'm not sad that I'll never know.
Supposedly it gets better at the end, but I'm not sad that I'll never know.
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