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Using Denver's Offensive Principles
Posted on 8/21/13 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 1:44 pm
Interesting Grantland article.
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There's much more and some video clips at the link.
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Under George Karl, the Denver Nuggets ran an offensive scheme that perfectly mirrored their head coach’s philosophy of battering teams with an endless series of forays into the paint for layups and free throws. In order to obtain his goal of 30 combined layups and free throws every game, Karl sought to utilize an offense that played fast, but was based off equal-opportunity dribble penetration in the half court. What he found was an innovative system called the dribble-drive motion, or DDM.
...The basic premise of the offense calls for players to use motion and cuts off the ball in order to create gaps for teammates to attack the heart of a defense. Once the dribble penetration starts, players are looking to get to the rim, drop it off to a big man working the baseline (called the rack zone), or kick it out to a teammate on the perimeter who can then attack against a shifting defense.
...In most respects, the Pelicans lack players with traditional skill sets. Neither of their best bigs is a great post-up player, and their guards lack the nuanced expertise required for top-notch pick-and-roll play. But for the dribble drive, the Pelicans' best five players (and even some of their reserves) are a perfect match. For the dribble drive to work it needs two shooters to man the corners (Gordon and Anderson), two players who can drive it up top (Evans and Holiday), and a big man that’s a Tyson Chandler–esque threat to cut to the rim and finish with a lob (Davis). In this system, every core player on the Pelicans should be able to play to their strengths and, in some cases, have their weaknesses mitigated.
The key to it all is Anderson. His outside shooting makes the system a true four-out offense — something that eluded the Nuggets most of the season because their big men were the more traditional pair of Kenneth Faried and Kosta Koufos. Anderson’s outside shooting will make life easier on everyone (and yes, I realize that’s true in most offenses). But for Evans in particular, Anderson will provide something that’s been a foreign concept for Evans since the arrival of DeMarcus Cousins in Sacaramento: space.
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There's much more and some video clips at the link.
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Posted on 8/21/13 at 1:56 pm to TigerinATL
quote:This is just a really pretty way of explaining basic, common sense, basketball. It happens in gyms all over america every day.
Under George Karl, the Denver Nuggets ran an offensive scheme that perfectly mirrored their head coach’s philosophy of battering teams with an endless series of forays into the paint for layups and free throws. In order to obtain his goal of 30 combined layups and free throws every game, Karl sought to utilize an offense that played fast, but was based off equal-opportunity dribble penetration in the half court. What he found was an innovative system called the dribble-drive motion, or DDM.
...The basic premise of the offense calls for players to use motion and cuts off the ball in order to create gaps for teammates to attack the heart of a defense. Once the dribble penetration starts, players are looking to get to the rim, drop it off to a big man working the baseline (called the rack zone), or kick it out to a teammate on the perimeter who can then attack against a shifting defense.
Always appreciate any Pelicans stuff I can get during this down time though.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 2:00 pm to eyeran
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basic, common sense, basketball.
Yeah, but how many times over the last few years have we seen the kind of space creating, off ball motion that is seemingly common sense? Not nearly often enough.
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 2:00 pm to TigerinATL
ESPN hates the Pelicans, but I think Grantland wants to have sex with us. This has to be at least their third Pelicans focused article in the past 2 months.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 2:35 pm to TigerinATL
quote:No doubt, we've been all pick n roll all the time since Paul got here. Its just up to the coaches whether we get more creative, now. Just my gut feeling, but I think we're still gonna be a majority pnr team in the half court. We just have to get more stops so we can get out and run A LOT more. Can't do that if we can't stop anybody.
Yeah, but how many times over the last few years have we seen the kind of space creating, off ball motion that is seemingly common sense? Not nearly often enough.
As for the article, I was just saying that guy, like most grantland writers, just took a really professorial approach to explaining something that most decent basketball players intuitively do. They'd just never be able to explain it like that.
quote:That sounds so much more complex than it actually is. Its basic spacing.
...The distance between Iguodala and Evan Fournier is roughly free throw line extended to free throw line extended. In the lingo of the dribble drive, that amount of space is a double gap,
or...
...While creating triple gaps (think ball handler at the top of the key driving toward the side with only one offensive player, positioned in the deeper corner) is ideal, the most vital part of the system’s success is resisting the urge to attack single gaps. Driving into a single gap — about eight to 12 feet of space — is something Walberg always wanted his teams to avoid.
He says it himself after going all Zach Lowe on us...
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Despite directives like that, the offense itself — especially the version molded by Karl — remains very simple. Players have the freedom to create when the opportunity is right, but when it’s not there, they can simply move the ball and cut to open up opportunities
Posted on 8/21/13 at 4:26 pm to TigerinATL
Good read. If it's like Denver's O, itt will still be based in PnR, but it won't rely on one man to be the ball handler, the screens won't always have to be at the top of the key, and the other 3 guys will be moving.
The one thing that I wish people would really pay attention to is this line:
What Davis does is already so valuable. He doesn't NEED to develop a serious post game to be a great offensive player. If he never does, his ability to finish coupled with his jumper will make any offense much, much better.
Rob Mahoney had an in depth look at the Nuggets back in March (has a link to Lowe's Nuggets O breakdown as well) that might also be helpful to look at.
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I think they will run some Miami stuff too. Evans in the post with Anderson, Morrow, Gordon, Holiday spotting up and Davis creeping baseline could be devastating.
The one thing that I wish people would really pay attention to is this line:
quote:
Besides, as Tyson Chandler proved with both the Mavericks (who dropped from eighth in offensive efficiency in 2011 to 20th the year after he left) and Knicks, the ability to finish boosts an entire offense as much, if not more so, than a dominant post player
What Davis does is already so valuable. He doesn't NEED to develop a serious post game to be a great offensive player. If he never does, his ability to finish coupled with his jumper will make any offense much, much better.
Rob Mahoney had an in depth look at the Nuggets back in March (has a link to Lowe's Nuggets O breakdown as well) that might also be helpful to look at.
LINK
I think they will run some Miami stuff too. Evans in the post with Anderson, Morrow, Gordon, Holiday spotting up and Davis creeping baseline could be devastating.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 6:10 pm to corndeaux
quote:I agree. But I also think Davis' post game is a little underrated. He showed some really nice moves the few times he got the ball in the post last year. Some fadeaways, could finish the jump hook with either hand. He just wasn't strong enough to hold deep position on most players. Thats obviously his biggest problem guarding the post as well.
What Davis does is already so valuable. He doesn't NEED to develop a serious post game to be a great offensive player. If he never does, his ability to finish coupled with his jumper will make any offense much, much better.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 8:18 pm to TigerinATL
I wouldn't be surprised as Davis and Miller is familiar with the DDM and the style suits our guards. I think there will at least be some form of the DDM being utilized at the minimum. Davis isn't a post option quite yet so maximizing his offensive potential is a no brainer.
All I know is that we'll consistently have the ball across half court a lot faster next season. And that'll make a big difference as we can get into our sets a lot faster and it'll give us more room for error and the ability to utilize sets like the DDM.
All I know is that we'll consistently have the ball across half court a lot faster next season. And that'll make a big difference as we can get into our sets a lot faster and it'll give us more room for error and the ability to utilize sets like the DDM.
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