re: Lacy, Collins - not big losses to Bama...Cam would be

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Look in practices at Aday he looked plenty fast enough to me, got good seperation

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I would be concerned if I were you about the secondary at Alabama if that be true. The guy got 0 separation in his HS highlights video and looked good ONLY because he could catch the ball well, was big, and could leap into the air on fade routes. I see that guy as a possession receiver and a fade route guy...he will NEVER start a game at Alabama at WR.

Ricky Jefferson- 1
LC- 0

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Can you think of some examples where a S made a play that a)determined the outcome and b) could not have been made by someone else

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I recall a blue chip safety named Reid who punked out a certain elite TE in mid air at the goal line to change the outcome of one huge high profile game a couple of years ago. There aren't many five starts who could recover from someone else's missed assignment to run down that play and fight for that ball in the air like that. That is game changing ability.

O linemen can have that kind of ability as well. Just ask DJ Fluker. He delivered elite level play nearly every snap and that, my friend, is game changing play if I ever heard of it.

Cam is more than worth fighting for. He is worth pulling out all of the stops for... especially against our biggest rival.

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I recall a blue chip safety named Reid who punked out a certain elite TE in mid air at the goal line to change the outcome of one huge high profile game a couple of years ago

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That's a great example, though Mark Barron was a higher rated prospect than Reid (not as high as Collins) but still considered a better prospect which is more to my point. I think you could also argue that missed FG's and a block in the back on an int return by Barron also played a role in the outcome.

While everyone, including LSU's staff if they were drafting would have taken Collins over Thompson, Thompson is also a good prospect and in the end it is not a program changing loss that many of you are making it out to be. Recruiting is about who you get, not who you don't. As long as LSU continues to get top 5-10 classes, we can compete at a high level, even if we miss out on an elite in state player like Collins or Robinson. We will recuit adequate replacements, even if individually the replacements are not as good, they can still be good which is what is most important.

ETA: and how do we know that Collins could for sure make that or a similar play and Thompson or Martin could not?

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you remember a running back threw that pass right? No way is that not a TD anyway if a McCarron throws that pass

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I thought it was Maize that threw the pass.

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Recruiting is about who you get, not who you don't.

I thought it was Maize that threw the pass.

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Probably was Maize the WR/returner then. Anyway, the point was it was not the QB. On the recruiting comment, I quoted Gerry Dinardo yesterday on that point and it is a good one. With the 25 limit, your ONLY goal should be to use those spots wisely. Worrying about anyone who signs elsewhere is silly! Worry about the guys YOU sign! IMO, the reason the LSU OL has been suspect the last few years is that a lot of the recruiting ones played almost 0 downs at LSU.

Hagans, Parsons, Spencer, Shaw, J Jones, McCoy, Ainsworth, Lowe, and if you went back another year or so M Allen and Singleton. Not only does LSU need to recruit better OL overall but need to KEEP THEM!