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re: ESPN: Saints will score, allow points by bushel
Posted on 7/5/13 at 2:53 pm to goatmilker
Posted on 7/5/13 at 2:53 pm to goatmilker
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I also want to bang that chick with the "I pooped today" t-shirt
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Posted on 7/5/13 at 7:19 pm to motorbreath
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Mindsets can only do so much, though. The truth is, despite all of Ryan's sizzle, his defenses typically fizzle. In nine seasons at three different stops as an NFL coordinator (Oakland, Cleveland and Dallas), Buddy Ryan's kid has helmed just one unit that ranked among the league's top 10 in yards allowed. Even more alarming if you're a Saints fan is that in seven of those nine years, Ryan's defenses finished in the bottom 10.
And people wonder why some of us think Ryan is a joke.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 7:50 pm to tree
That writer doesn't know shite and is a hack! Doesn't he know that we are Super Bowl contenders?
Posted on 7/5/13 at 8:29 pm to FootballNostradamus
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And people wonder why some of us think Ryan is a joke.
I'm not a fan of Ryan, but using yards given up as an indicator of defensive prowess isn't fair either.
Points against per game at the very least, and I'd actually like to see points against per drive.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:44 am to Jcorye1
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I'm not a fan of Ryan, but using yards given up as an indicator of defensive prowess isn't fair either.
Points against per game at the very least, and I'd actually like to see points against per drive.
It sounds like Ryan has the players buying into what he wants to do. I know, I know... big whoop( I'm sure many want to see it on the field) I don't disagree there either. But I just feel like they guys from last year will be playing with a big chip on their shoulder. I don't know how long that will hold up but it seemed like last year from the get that the defense wasn't really into the game mentally or physically. There was a lot going on that triggered that. But with bountygate behind them, no one can convince me that they won't play better.
I'm not expecting a huge improvement from the D. It would be great to see it but I'm just trying to be realistic. As bad as they were last year they still finished 12th in the league in takeaways. If they could get somewhere near there this year it should be another nice season.
oh by the way... points per game stats can be very misleading too. In San Francisco's last 6 games from last season (including the playoffs) their defense gave up 29 points per game. As tough as they were all season and being so close to pulling off a big comeback in the Super Bowl, I find that stat surprising.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 1:26 am to LooseCannon22282
quote:lmao what a terrible analogy. I just had to say this.
Sure, first-round safety Kenny Vaccaro and third-round nose tackle John Jenkins will help, but relying on a couple of rookies to transform the Nawlins D is kind of like relying on a couple of icepacks to solve global warming.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 1:31 am to Ryan3232
It's also a terrible statement period. They may not transform the defense, but rookies in the NFL are more then capable of making huge impacts for teams.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 3:50 am to chrisksaint
Few things are funnier around here than watching this board go apeshit over ESPN talking poorly about the Saints.
"They're not taking into account the revenge factor!!!"
"They're not taking into account the revenge factor!!!"
Posted on 7/6/13 at 7:47 am to TotesMcGotes
Yeah, less than 2 pages in 2 days = saints fans going apeshit...dumbass
Posted on 7/6/13 at 9:32 am to LooseCannon22282
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oh by the way... points per game stats can be very misleading too. In San Francisco's last 6 games from last season (including the playoffs) their defense gave up 29 points per game. As tough as they were all season and being so close to pulling off a big comeback in the Super Bowl, I find that stat surprising.
Once Justin Smith got hurt, that defense was nowhere near as formidable.
I can see where you're going with this though
I just don't like yards against per game because it punishes teams with quick strike offenses, and benefits teams that use extreme running ball control.
If you score more, your defense is going to have more chances to give up a big play.
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 9:35 am
Posted on 7/6/13 at 9:37 am to motorbreath
Well said.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 11:07 am to Jcorye1
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I just don't like yards against per game because it punishes teams with quick strike offenses, and benefits teams that use extreme running ball control.
this has really be a factor for the Saints defense over the years I think. Probably not the biggest one but one that doesn't get mentioned enough IMO.
oh, by the way the Saints average on defense in PPG over the last 6 games from 2012??? 30 points
that is nuts to think the Saints defense and 49ers defense were so close in that category.
I remember back in 2010 when the Saints defense was pretty stout for several weeks and then after the bye week, they started to struggle. There were only a few times where I felt like they just out right got the best of somebody and that was the second Falcons game in ATL after the bye week. Maybe you could say the Rams game too though I guess, they beat them pretty good that year.
I know statistically we were pretty good that year but I was nervous as shite as they went into the playoffs. There were injuries on our defense and Seattle had no problems moving the ball on us in the Dome the first time we had played them that year.
it is getting tougher for me to buy into some stats defensively now. This league is mostly dominated by offense now.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 11:15 am to motorbreath
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Yeah, less than 2 pages in 2 days = saints fans going apeshit...dumbass
some of those comments are actually conversation that has nothing to do with the OP too.
don't be trolled so easily.
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/6/13 at 11:21 am to LooseCannon22282
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this has really be a factor for the Saints defense over the years I think. Probably not the biggest one but one that doesn't get mentioned enough IMO.
I know I'll get flamed for this, but the same with the Patriots. They've actually been averaging 10-15 in PPG the last couple of years, but people just see the yardage and shite bricks.
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that is nuts to think the Saints defense and 49ers defense were so close in that category.
Justin Smith, along with Geno Atkins, are so criminally underrated.
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it is getting tougher for me to buy into some stats defensively now. This league is mostly dominated by offense now.
I'd argue it's dominated by health going into the playoffs. If Gronk is healthy, the Patriots win at least one of the last two Super Bowls.
The counter argument would be Ladarius Webb was injured and is close, if not in, the top tier of CBs.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 11:36 am to Jcorye1
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I know I'll get flamed for this, but the same with the Patriots. They've actually been averaging 10-15 in PPG the last couple of years, but people just see the yardage and shite bricks. quote:
In 2011 our scoring defense wasn't all that bad but they gave up a shite ton of yards. So I kind of know where you're coming from. In 2010 our scoring defense was even better but it ended up not really making a difference in the end.
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I'd argue it's dominated by health going into the playoffs. If Gronk is healthy, the Patriots win at least one of the last two Super Bowls.
definitely had something to do with it in 2010 for the Saints. We had guys miss that game or play with nagging injuries. Plus it was just the end of the long grind defending the title. Your team was the last to win it back-to-back and that was when... 2004?
I think the parity in the league is gaining more and more now.
A lot more games lost by a TD or less it seems like.
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 11:47 am
Posted on 7/6/13 at 11:45 am to LooseCannon22282
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I think the parity in the league is gaining more and more now.
Yep. More and more money means more and more intelligence in the front offices. I think teams are also way more likely to cut a coach they don't think is pulling his weight.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 11:51 am to Jcorye1
edited my last post again
what I meant was that it has been almost 10 years since there has been a repeat champion.
and the last 3 Super Bowl winners records looked like this at the end of the regular season:
2010 Packers: 10-6
2011 Giants: 9-7
2012 Ravens: 10-6
the Cardinals also went 9-7 in 2008 when the Steelers barely beat them in the Super Bowl.
Crazy.
what I meant was that it has been almost 10 years since there has been a repeat champion.
and the last 3 Super Bowl winners records looked like this at the end of the regular season:
2010 Packers: 10-6
2011 Giants: 9-7
2012 Ravens: 10-6
the Cardinals also went 9-7 in 2008 when the Steelers barely beat them in the Super Bowl.
Crazy.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:27 pm to LooseCannon22282
fricking NFL playoffs...
Limp through the season until game 10-12, catch a hot streak and barely grab the wildcard or win your pathetic division, keep momentum in the playoffs. Profit. Games 1-12 don't matter. Frustrating as hell to me.
Limp through the season until game 10-12, catch a hot streak and barely grab the wildcard or win your pathetic division, keep momentum in the playoffs. Profit. Games 1-12 don't matter. Frustrating as hell to me.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 2:14 pm to tree
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Saints will score, allow points by bushel
What a bold prediction.
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/7/13 at 8:26 am to tree
We don't need a top five defense, although it would be nice. We were in just about every game last season. If our d can improve to even middle of the pack, with CSP back running the O,
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