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re: Top 5 Saints Players of All Time

Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

That Staubach quote only proves that cowboys were a stacked team at the time and the saints sucked.

Like saying if Alex Smith was on the current 49'ers team, he could win a Super Bowl

Note that Roger did not say Archie would have Dilfered into a SB. He said Manning would have made the Hall of Fame.

And that he himself, a HOFer often listed among the greatest QBs of all time, would not have made it.
Posted by GumBro Jackson
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:04 pm to
IMO the Saints have a clear top three of:
1. Drew Brees
2. Willie Roaf
3. Rickey Jackson (2 and 3 could be swapped in order).

After that, there are a whole bunch of guys who were very good, but not "all timers".

Jahri Evans is well on his way to joining those three and with another couple of years he gets there.

The other three members of the Dome Patrol should all merit discussion.

Colston and Horn both get discussion, and obviously Colston is still playing so he could increase his chances.

Morten Anderson was really good.

IMO Deuce McAlister and Archie Manning were both good players but are a bit overrated b/c they were the best parts of bad teams, so people have very fond memories of them doing a lot of good things.
Posted by memphis tiger
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:14 pm to
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And it's hard to separate one of the Dome Patrol from the rest


Not when one of them is in the Hall of Fame.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:19 pm to
I'll also say this when we discuss the 5-10 picks:

Joe Horn still above Colston
JOe Horn way above Deuce
I'd probably put Archie right above Joe
Posted by mindbreaker
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

IMO the Saints have a clear top three of:
1. Drew Brees
2. Willie Roaf
3. Rickey Jackson (2 and 3 could be swapped in order).

After that, there are a whole bunch of guys who were very good, but not "all timers".

Jahri Evans is well on his way to joining those three and with another couple of years he gets there.

The other three members of the Dome Patrol should all merit discussion.

Colston and Horn both get discussion, and obviously Colston is still playing so he could increase his chances.

Morten Anderson was really good.

IMO Deuce McAlister and Archie Manning were both good players but are a bit overrated b/c they were the best parts of bad teams, so people have very fond memories of them doing a lot of good things


yes all of this
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 1:19 pm to
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Joe Horn still above Colston


I can let you argue the other stuff, but you're wrong here Chad.

Colston (life long Saint so far) > Horn (played for the Falcons )
Colston 532 receptions > Horn 523 receptions
Colston 58 TDs > Horn 50 TDs
Horn 7,622 yards > Colston 7,394 yards
Colston 6+years as a Saint > Horn 6 years as a Saint
Horn BBQ Sauce > Colston not food affiliated
Colston Superbowl Starter > Horn Playoff Win
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 1:23 pm to
We have two guys in the Hall of Fame. Jackson and Roaf are in the top 5. Brees is as well.

The other three spots can be debated, but I think the only realistic candidates can be Swilling, Evans, Deuce, Brock and Mills. Maybe Wayne Martin, Vaughn Johnson, Dave Waymer and Morton Anderson.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:00 pm to
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Jackson and Roaf are in the top 5. Brees is as well


quote:

The other three spots can be debated


Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:04 pm to
I'm bad at the math. Sue me.


:kafka:
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:21 pm to
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I can let you argue the other stuff, but you're wrong here Chad.

Colston (life long Saint so far) > Horn (played for the Falcons )
Colston 532 receptions > Horn 523 receptions
Colston 58 TDs > Horn 50 TDs
Horn 7,622 yards > Colston 7,394 yards
Colston 6+years as a Saint > Horn 6 years as a Saint
Horn BBQ Sauce > Colston not food affiliated
Colston Superbowl Starter > Horn Playoff Win



Joe Horn: 4 time probowler, one year was 6 yards behind the NFL leader in receiving yards. Played without Drew Brees Joe Horn had FOUR, that's right 4 years better than Colston's Best year as a Saint.
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:34 pm to
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Joe Horn: 4 time probowler, one year was 6 yards behind the NFL leader in receiving yards. Played without Drew Brees Joe Horn had FOUR, that's right 4 years better than Colston's Best year as a Saint.


Hmm...one of those rare moments that message board banter results in a genuine change of opinion.

Joe Horn > Colston > Deuce

Hence I will redo my top five:

1. Drew Brees
2. Rickey Jackson
3. Joe Horn
4. Willie Roaf
5. Marques Colston


It would have truly been something to behold if we had Horn in his prime with Brees 2008-present.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:37 pm to
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CptRusty


Colston has been very consistent putting up pretty good numbers with our best qb ever. At the end of the day, colston's longevity will probably over take joe horn's career but for now, i think its rightful to still have Joe Horn above Colston with his eliteness he brought us those 5-6 years or so.
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:38 pm to
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Colston has been very consistent putting up pretty good numbers with our best qb ever. At the end of the day, colston's longevity will probably over take joe horn's career but for now, i think its rightful to still have Joe Horn above Colston with his eliteness he brought us those 5-6 years or so


agreed on all points
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:41 pm to
Posted by GumBro Jackson
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:42 pm to
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Hmm...one of those rare moments that message board banter results in a genuine change of opinion.


This is the best comment I have seen on the internet in a while. Great when people actually debate, read other comments with an open mind, and think about things.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:45 pm to
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This is the best comment I have seen on the internet in a while.


so he gets all the credit for being the dumb one at first and i'm the genius getting no credit. I A) had the right answer B) Gave the argument for the right side C) Gave such the argument in a convincing way too. D) frick Me.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:45 pm to
No one loves Sammy knight?
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:46 pm to
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D) frick Me.


welcome to the internet bro
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:46 pm to
Drew
Lance Moore
Sammy knight
Willie Roaf
Joe Horn
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
77537 posts
Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

Drew
Lance Moore
Sammy knight
Willie Roaf
Joe Horn



I'm a big LM fan, but really??


Drew
Rickey
Deuce
Mills
Morten Anderson




I want to throw Colston and Vaughan Johnson in there somewhere, but I like my list.
This post was edited on 5/1/13 at 3:52 pm
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