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re: Help!! Handgun question
Posted on 10/15/12 at 7:21 pm to Propagandalf
Posted on 10/15/12 at 7:21 pm to Propagandalf
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. Unlike a revolver, if there is no bang there is the added step of pressing the slide release and then pumping to eject the bad shell.
Man I don't like to take things to a personal level on here, but before you downplay my opinions, make sure you know what you're talking about.
Go dry fire a pump shotgun and see if you have to press the slide release to pump it, and then get back to me.
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Posted on 10/15/12 at 9:06 pm to Propagandalf
You make a lot of valid points about revolvers and their potential use as a home defense weapon. But I think you may have unintentionally exaggerated some characteristics of a couple of weapons.
Agreed.
Unfortunately, revolvers can jam. And if they do, you're not likely to clear the jam with a TRB drill.
As a general rule, and especially with J-frames, revolvers will have more felt recoil than a semi-auto -- simply because the rearward movement of the slide absorbs and cushions some of the felt recoil.
Unless you have a cylinder choke in that shotgun, an 8"-10" pattern is highly unlikely at a range of 20 feet. With a full choke, at 20 feet, shooting buckshot, all my shotguns produce a pattern of 3-4 inches.
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A revolver is also a good gun to learn on.
Agreed.
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Simply because a revolver will not jam.
Unfortunately, revolvers can jam. And if they do, you're not likely to clear the jam with a TRB drill.
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They are also inherently heavier than your plastic striker fired auto loaders recommended (GLOCK/M&P/XD). This means less felt recoil and better follow-up shots.
As a general rule, and especially with J-frames, revolvers will have more felt recoil than a semi-auto -- simply because the rearward movement of the slide absorbs and cushions some of the felt recoil.
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However, what about a situation where sending an 8"-10" spread downrange is not ideal.
Unless you have a cylinder choke in that shotgun, an 8"-10" pattern is highly unlikely at a range of 20 feet. With a full choke, at 20 feet, shooting buckshot, all my shotguns produce a pattern of 3-4 inches.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 9:43 pm to dawg23
Yea a J-frame will rock your shite.
I'm pretty sure he was talking about full sized steel frame revolvers though, which are very easy to shoot until you start stuffing full house .357 mags in them. A 4" GP100 weighs something like 40oz empty. It's like shooting a .22 when you put .38spl in it. I find it much less snappy than a polymer .40
Don't most revolver jams occur when reloading? In my experience the term "6 for sure" has been 100% accurate. I have seen a few hiccups reloading though, like a bullet getting stuck in the chamber and ending up under the extractor star. Talk about a bitch.
One thing is for sure, if your revolver jams you probably aren't going to fix it without taking the gun apart. At least I've never been able to.
I'm sticking to my guns (lulz) though and sticking with a youth model pump shotgun full of buckshot as the ultimate home defense weapon.
I'm pretty sure he was talking about full sized steel frame revolvers though, which are very easy to shoot until you start stuffing full house .357 mags in them. A 4" GP100 weighs something like 40oz empty. It's like shooting a .22 when you put .38spl in it. I find it much less snappy than a polymer .40
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Unfortunately, revolvers can jam. And if they do, you're not likely to clear the jam
Don't most revolver jams occur when reloading? In my experience the term "6 for sure" has been 100% accurate. I have seen a few hiccups reloading though, like a bullet getting stuck in the chamber and ending up under the extractor star. Talk about a bitch.
One thing is for sure, if your revolver jams you probably aren't going to fix it without taking the gun apart. At least I've never been able to.
I'm sticking to my guns (lulz) though and sticking with a youth model pump shotgun full of buckshot as the ultimate home defense weapon.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 10:05 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I'm sticking to my guns (lulz) though and sticking with a youth model pump shotgun full of buckshot as the ultimate home defense weapon.
Agreed. Or a simple 18" 12 gauge with a collapsible stock.
A revolver malfunction is a lot less likely than a semi auto malfunction, but still a possibility nonetheless.
And to supplement your "reloading" revolver jams, this is actually the #1 cause of semi auto jams as well. This is the EXACT reason I do not carry my gun condition 2 (full mag, empty chamber). Not that I wouldn't necessarily have time to rack the slide (which is still a high risk), but the fact that a jam is highly likely if you accidentally short-stroke the action during a panicked racking of the slide. Anyone who carries a gun with an empty chamber just doesn't trust him or herself enough with said firearm.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 11:13 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Quote from Downshift & F-It: I'm sticking to my guns (lulz) though and sticking with a youth model pump shotgun full of buckshot as the ultimate home defense weapon.
For the folks who are used to a pump (those who have shot hundreds, if not thousands of rounds through one), it's a great home defense weapon in either 12 or 20 gauge.
For the folks who are used to shooting automatics (like me) or over & unders, relying on a pump means they better get some reps with it. We all know how to operate a pump, but if it's not instinctive, it's easy to mess up under stress (short-stroking, or failing to pump it at all).
I just bought one of these for a "SHTF home defense" weapon. After a few hundred more rounds through it I'll be ready to deem it "reliable." Took forever to find one (kinda like looking for a S&W Shield).
LINK: Mossberg 930 JM
Posted on 10/15/12 at 11:24 pm to dawg23
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I just bought one of these for a "SHTF home defense" weapon. After a few hundred more rounds through it I'll be ready to deem it "reliable." Took forever to find one (kinda like looking for a S&W Shield).
Would a standard 930 have been easier to find? I feel like I see Mossberg shotguns everywhere, not just the 500 or 590.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 11:50 pm to bapple
The standard 930's are everywhere, as are the 930 "Tactical" models.
I decided to hold out for the 10-round J. Miculek version and finally found one on GunBroker. Hopefully I'll never need it.
I decided to hold out for the 10-round J. Miculek version and finally found one on GunBroker. Hopefully I'll never need it.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 4:40 am to dawg23
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GunBroker.
Just used them for the first time, got Ruger GP 100 357, 6" stainless
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