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re: Christopher Nolan Taking "Naturalistic Approach" to Superman
Posted on 10/3/12 at 4:09 pm to FairhopeTider
Posted on 10/3/12 at 4:09 pm to FairhopeTider
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When approaching Batman, Nolan asked the question about how would a city react if a man dressed as a bat jumped from rooftop to rooftop fighting crime?
And here in lies the genius of Nolans Batman Trilogy.
The origin of Batman, no matter what iteration, has been Bruce Wayne looking for a symbol he could use to strike fear into the criminal element. But every time, even in the comics, once Batman joins up with Commish. Gordon, he becomes a PI in a batsuit. The comics ignore it, Adam West ignored it, Tim Burton ignored it.
Nolan, in taking that real world view, was forced to answer this question, and used the Joker and a brilliant performance by Heath Ledger to do it. "Okay Batman, you're with the cops, how far are you willing to go before you're just a guy in a costume?" In the end, Bruce was able to prevent himself from going over the edge, and returned to the symbol that he started off with. "Rises" really did well with showing Bruce's conflict with walking the line between justice and becoming that which he was fighting against and the personal cost of that choice: Rachel.
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 4:12 pm to FairhopeTider
Superman Returns sucked but i thought the scene where he actually returns and saves the Plane was fricking awesome. If i see that movie on i will watch that scene then turn it off.
I think he needs to be doing awesome superman shite, constantly.
I think he needs to be doing awesome superman shite, constantly.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 4:15 pm to OMLandshark
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Really the first one should merely focus on Superman's relationship with Metropolis and it's people, with only a few journalists and people like Luthor should be greatly against his presence.
In reality, people would probably freak out, be scared, worry of an alien invasion. The military would want him controlled, worry about what he would do if the interests of the US didn't coincide with Superman's, and worry if more of his friends would show up. Truthfully, Lois Lane's Interview would probably be a world changing event and would be met with intense speculation from the media and other leaders.
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Most Americans, while at some unease, would largely be happy that the Superman exists and he is American.
It would take him getting some serious media exposure before this would happen.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 4:54 pm to OMLandshark
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Most Americans, while at some unease, would largely be happy that the Superman exists and he is American.
I doubt this. People nowadays are cynical and believe that even the best of people are playing their own angle. If someone like Superman were to ever show up people would be scared out of their minds. Here's a guy who can defy gravity, who can withstand any bullet, sword, missile, or whatever that we throw at him, and who is extra-terrestrial in origin. What if he's lying about his intentions? Even if he isn't, he still has the power to take us over all by himself. And what if there are more like him? What if they are 100% hostile with no other desire than to create chaos and destroy humanity?
People in this day and age would freak out. We can say we will be welcoming because we have the benefit of a comic book. But what if there was no Superman comic book and Superman showed up out of the blue one day. How would you feel then? Happy, sad, scared? I'd be afraid...I'll tell you that right now.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 5:04 pm to SpqrTiger
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Superman has been the Big Blue Boy Scout through all of this, decade after decade. Some may crave a different take on it, but honestly, I think we've had plenty of movies lately with superheroes conquering their inner demons.
You don't need that though. You just need a villain that can shove Superman's Boy Scout tendencies in his face and show him how ineffective they are to really solving real world problems, sort of like Superman vs The Elite did, but just make the ramifications of Superman's lack of decisiveness far larger.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 5:05 pm to RonBurgundy
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dude by your avi, you are a fan of LOST- that shite is terrible sci-fi/fantasy the same genre of comics.
Shut your fricking trap.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 5:17 pm to OMLandshark
Everybody thinks they're the first to think of the "What if a superhero appeared in the real world?" gimmick.
(Spoiler: As soon as you introduce a character with unreal powers, their world stops being real.)
(Spoiler: As soon as you introduce a character with unreal powers, their world stops being real.)
Posted on 10/3/12 at 5:20 pm to RollTide1987
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I doubt this. People nowadays are cynical and believe that even the best of people are playing their own angle. If someone like Superman were to ever show up people would be scared out of their minds. Here's a guy who can defy gravity, who can withstand any bullet, sword, missile, or whatever that we throw at him, and who is extra-terrestrial in origin. What if he's lying about his intentions? Even if he isn't, he still has the power to take us over all by himself. And what if there are more like him? What if they are 100% hostile with no other desire than to create chaos and destroy humanity?
This makes it all the more perplexing why Luthor is not in the film since he could entirely embody this line of thought for the audience. He doesn't have to be the antagonist of the film, just a thorn in Superman's side.
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People in this day and age would freak out. We can say we will be welcoming because we have the benefit of a comic book. But what if there was no Superman comic book and Superman showed up out of the blue one day. How would you feel then? Happy, sad, scared? I'd be afraid...I'll tell you that right now.
Personally I'd play it somewhat similar to how Tim Burton's Batman did it. Start with the entire public and government being scared shitless of him and having no idea how to handle him. Don't dwell much in his past and really just start it off when he first arrives in Metropolis. Have Luthor running for President and being elected on the fact that the current President has been a coward on handling Superman and promising the public that he could deal with Superman. After winning the election, a big monster that is able to stand up to Superman physically comes to Metropolis with the intent on destroying Metropolis and killing Superman. Superman barely saves himself and the city, and is afterwards loved by the people. This also sets up the openly antagonistic relationship between Luthor and Superman, and then some of the public's and Luthor's worst fears coming true in the sequels when much worse super powered antagonists threaten the world at large. That's how I'd handle it at least.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 5:21 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I'm sure this has already been asked, but what the heck would a "naturalistic" Superman look like, anyway? His powers are by their very nature unnatural. You can swing naturalistic with Batman. With Superman it seems far-fetched.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 5:23 pm to Matisyeezy
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I'm sure this has already been asked, but what the heck would a "naturalistic" Superman look like, anyway? His powers are by their very nature unnatural. You can swing naturalistic with Batman. With Superman it seems far-fetched.
You're thinking realistic approach, not naturalistic.a
Posted on 10/3/12 at 5:27 pm to OMLandshark
I don't deny this. I just don't think that I quite understand what the difference is between realism and naturalism when we discuss film. Art/film/etc. aren't quite my areas of expertise. I just know what I like and like it 
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 5:37 pm to OMLandshark
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This makes it all the more perplexing why Luthor is not in the film since he could entirely embody this line of thought for the audience. He doesn't have to be the antagonist of the film, just a thorn in Superman's side.
Well...we really don't know if he's in it or not. There may not be an actor playing him but his corporation could make an appearance in much the same way as Oscorp made an appearance in The Amazing Spider-Man.
I think that the reason why he probably won't be in it is because he's been the main antagonist in every single film, minus Superman II where he was still the villain - just not the most powerful one. I have a feeling he will show up in the sequel if they do another one of these.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 5:46 pm to RollTide1987
I've seen some people freaking out that Nolan will make a Superman different than the one they grew up with in the 70's and 80's films.
My question is: why would you want a film with the same stuff all over again?
And I don't think Nolan will or should do this, but...wasn't the very earliest incarnation of Superman aggressive and violent toward his enemies? Even deadly?
My question is: why would you want a film with the same stuff all over again?
And I don't think Nolan will or should do this, but...wasn't the very earliest incarnation of Superman aggressive and violent toward his enemies? Even deadly?
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