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Posted on 4/13/08 at 10:08 pm to
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 4/13/08 at 10:08 pm to
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No A-hole. I'm saying when you agree with the Olympic committeee to participate in a program you don't make an arse of yourself and embarass the organization.

Protesting the murder of innocent lives is an embarassment to you but having foreign troops march down our streets is perfectly fine?
It's no wonder this country is going down the shitter.

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If you want to make a political statement do it on your own time,

Freedom of speech is a 24/7 proposition my friend and don't you EVER forget it.

Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 4/13/08 at 10:11 pm to
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Protesting the murder of innocent lives is an embarassment to you but having foreign troops march down our streets is perfectly fine?


Here's a flash for you Tibet was annexed around 1957, this bitch didn't make a bit of difference now she can go back to her community activism. You can have respect for the Olympics and not support genocide. A-hole's like you are a major problem for this country you have shite for brains.

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Freedom of speech is a 24/7 proposition my friend and don't you EVER forget it.


I need no advice from a rectum like you.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/13/08 at 10:15 pm to
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Here's a flash for you Tibet was annexed around 1957, this bitch didn't make a bit of difference now she can go back to her community activism.

Oh I get it, shut up and sit down. Well, calm down there buddy, you're wrinkling your brown shirt.

Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 4/13/08 at 10:23 pm to
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Oh I get it, shut up and sit down. Well, calm down there buddy, you're wrinkling your brown shirt.


ROFLMAO, I doubt you have thought of Tibet twice in your life and now you lunatics see it as a moral crisis at Olympic time, bunch of narcissistic street theater by most of the protesters. Once the Olympics areover nuts and phoneys like you will abandon tibet for the next outrage.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/13/08 at 10:23 pm to
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You can have respect for the Olympics and not support genocide.

Yes, we can't let 60 years of oppression stand in the way of a few frivolous games now can we?
I mean shite let's get our priorities straight.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/13/08 at 10:30 pm to
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ROFLMAO, I doubt you have thought of Tibet twice in your life and now you lunatics see it as a moral crisis at Olympic time

Oh, right. If you don't think about it, it isn't happening. Got it.

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bunch of narcissistic street theater by most of the protesters.

Newsflash: this country was formed by protesters. But I won't bore you with anymore talk of Liberty and Patriotism.
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 4/13/08 at 10:32 pm to
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Yes, we can't let 60 years of oppression stand in the way of a few frivolous games now can we?



Perhaps you consider them frivolous because you are a culturally illiterate dolt. Have you ever done anything about Tibet in the past 50 years?

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As a young man, in 1892, Coubertin had the idea of renewing the ancient Olympic Games, which duly took place in Athens in 1896. Whereas his educational aspirations had additionally been confined to France, the success of these first Olympic Games marked, for COUBERTIN, the internationalization of his educational visions, where his main priority at first was the idea of peace among nations.

“Wars break out because nations misunderstand each other. We shall no have peace until the prejudices which now separate the different races shall have been outlived. To attain this end, what better means than to bring the youth of all countries periodically together for amicable trials of muscular strength and agility? “ (Coubertin)

The quotation above shows his notion of peace. In these ambitions he was influenced by his paternal friend Jules Simon. Simon h ad been a co-founder of the Interparliamentary Union, established in Paris in 1888, and the International Peace Bureau, founded in 1892.

80% of the honorary members of the IOC founding Congress 1894 in Paris were members of national peace movements. Five of those won later Nobel Peace Prices.

Coubertin was convinced that peace education could only be effective if theoretical learning was accompanied by personal experience. Olympic sport was the very means to achieve this aim. Sport in the sense should become an instrument to reform economy and politics and thus society as a whole: “The Olympic Games will be a potent, if indirect factor in securing universal peace”.

Pierre de Coubertin was primarily a pedagogue and his foremost aim was to reform education. In 1925 he was one of the founders of the World Pedagogical Union (Union Pégagogique Universelle/ U.P.U.) compiled a “Charter of Educational Reform” and in 1926 he founded an “International Center of Sports Education” (Bureau International de Pédagogie sportive/B.I.P.S.). His great achievement was to combine and interweave sports, education, and the idea of world-wide peace. Influenced by his experiences during several visits to England, especially by the study of Thomas Arnold’s (1795-1842) conception of education, Pierre de Coubertin demanded ethical and moral values together with physical training – sports being the basis and initiating source. Coubertin’s programme of modern sports education did not originate in ancient Greece but in the system of English public schools. The idea of universal peace was predominant in his thoughts on the beginning, a misunderstanding of the ancient notion of peace by Coubertin. The modern Olympic Games conceived by Coubertin were built on the three pillars: elite sports, ethics and peace.

Evaluating and looking back on the Games of 1896 Coubertin writes in more realistic tones:

“ One may be filled with a desire to see the colors of one’s club or college triumph in a national meeting, but how much stronger is the feeling when the colours of one’s own country are at stake! It was with these thoughts in mind that I sought to revive the Olympic games. I have succeeded after many efforts. [I hope] it may be a potent, if indirect, factor in securing international peace.”

Coubertin’s “Ode to Sport” underlines the identification of sport and peace in literary form:

“O Sport, You are Peace!

You forge happy bonds between the peoples

by drawing them together in reverence for strength

which is controlled, organised and self disciplined.

Trough you the young of the entire world

learn to respect one another,

and thus the diversity of national traits becomes a source

of generous and peaceful emulation! “

In his early writings, he refers to international sporting encounters as "the free trade of the future" seeing the participating athletes as "ambassadors of peace" even though by his own admission he still had to take care, at the time of the founding of the IOC in 1894, not to say too much about this, not wanting - as he says in a document that has come down to us - to ask too much of sportsmen or to frighten the pacifists. With his ideas of peace, however, Coubertin associated an ethical mission which, then as now, was central to the Olympic Movement and - if it were to succeed - had to lead to political education. On the threshold of the 20th century, Coubertin tried to bring about enlightened internationalism by cultivating a non-chauvinistic nationalism.

Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/13/08 at 10:36 pm to
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Perhaps you consider them frivolous because you are a culturally illiterate dolt. Have you ever done anything about Tibet in the past 50 years?

I don't buy anything produced in China. I know that's not much but my only weapon is my pocketbook. That's my little protest.
Are you embarassed by that, too?
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 4/13/08 at 10:40 pm to
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I don't buy anything produced in China.


BS, that is impossible unless you have a catch like you let your mother do the shopping for you, or you live in a cave wearing youor hair shirt and tin foil hat.
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 4/13/08 at 11:55 pm to
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No A-hole. I'm saying when you agree with the Olympic committeee to participate in a program you don't make an arse of yourself and embarass the organization. If you want to make a political statement do it on your own time, you don't accept the honor and turn on your host. I agreed with the fellow participants who thought she was wrong to politicize the honor they were given.


I'll have to agree with this.
She "hi jacked" the procession and looked like an arse because of it. I am fully supportive of Tibet and it's people's plight. But there is a time and place for everything, and this was not appropriate.
Posted by mburne4
NOLA
Member since Nov 2006
8100 posts
Posted on 4/14/08 at 2:36 am to
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but having foreign troops march down our streets is perfectly fine?



you act like this is some totally uncommon thing. when foreign dignataries come to the united states they all have personal security. the pope is going to have a hell of a lot of people with him next week.

people travel with there own security this is not some new strange development. if they had brought a whole tank battalion to guard the torch then you'd have a point, but until then i choose to beleive that the combined might of the NSA, FBI, us army, and the united states government can handle men so important to there country they were sent to protect a peice of tin
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 4/14/08 at 7:18 am to
Goddamn...

I was a libertarian and a supporter of the good doctor well before it became 'cool' and I am completely embarassed at how the little ones have hijacked the cause into nothing more then a leftist sit in.

The movement always emphasized freedom, personal responsibility and adherence to the rules in place while we work to fix the broken ones.

Here you have an honor bestowed on someone who takes that opportunity to effectively piss on it. She SIGNS a code of conduct before engaging, purposelly violates, get told by a guard "Sorry I cant let you do that".. and the pinks who have hijacked Ron Pauls name try to cite it as a restriction on her freedom.

Not it is someone going against the values of the libertarian movement and the fact the diaper dandies can't see this shows how hopeless we are.

As for the underlying Tibet issue itself, these children again further misrepresent the libertarian position (because they have no idea what the hell it really is anyways).

For those who are interested, I suggest Lewrockwell.com and wordsearch china tibet.
Posted by LSUgrasshopper
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2006
5282 posts
Posted on 4/14/08 at 8:16 am to
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Here you have an honor bestowed on someone who takes that opportunity to effectively piss on it.


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She SIGNS a code of conduct before engaging, purposelly violates, get told by a guard "Sorry I cant let you do that".. and the pinks who have hijacked Ron Pauls name try to cite it as a restriction on her freedom.


Again, Ron Paul, not all that crazy. Unfortunately most of the people that follow him are bat-shite insane.

Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79609 posts
Posted on 4/14/08 at 10:00 am to
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I've been here a day and already see that you have no idea what you're talking about most of the time, GLT.


Actually, he makes a rather valid point. The irony IS priceless.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79609 posts
Posted on 4/14/08 at 10:05 am to
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Yeah. frick the constitution.


Do you even know what the Constitutuion says re: free speech?

Amendment One:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This person's Constituional rights were not violated.

Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79609 posts
Posted on 4/14/08 at 10:08 am to
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Ah, the age card. Because we all know every 40 year old knows more than every 22 year old.


Yes, that's right. Now sit down and shut up, Junior. Get back to me when you start paying taxes.
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 4/14/08 at 10:25 am to
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Ah, the age card. Because we all know every 40 year old knows more than every 22 year old.


"Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks? When I was 20, my dad didn't know shite. Now that I am 40, he is a fricking genius." -Unknown
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 4/14/08 at 10:26 am to
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This person's Constituional rights were not violated.


Agreed. Why does every nutjob seem to think that the Right to Free Speech allows them to trash every bit of decorum and manners in the world and act like an annoying prick anytime a camera is around?
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79609 posts
Posted on 4/14/08 at 10:31 am to
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"Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks? When I was 20, my dad didn't know shite. Now that I am 40, he is a fricking genius." -Unknown


Don't hold me to this, but I believe that quote (or something along those lines) is usually attributed to Mark Twain.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79609 posts
Posted on 4/14/08 at 10:32 am to
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Agreed. Why does every nutjob seem to think that the Right to Free Speech allows them to trash every bit of decorum and manners in the world and act like an annoying prick anytime a camera is around?


There are too many ignorant people out there spouting off about "freedom of this" and "freedom of that" who have never even read the Bill of Rights.
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