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re: Herron, Bain, Gilmore not playing much
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:47 pm to Alt26
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:47 pm to Alt26
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Honest question, how difficult is it MENTALLY to play defensive tackle?
There is A LOT to playing DT, to be perfectly honest!
It's not just all brute and strength.....technique is HUGE and understanding run vs pass makes the difference in how fast you come off the ball, as well as how to engage blockers, and biggest of all, knowing your gap assignments and/or which gaps to attack!!!
Put it to you this way, linebackers can't do what they do if the DT don't do their job first!!!
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:47 pm to Alumni80
quote:You seem a tad bitter towards Miles...maybe you shouldn't allow him to get under your skin.
Alumni80
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:55 pm to fan251
It really isn't rocket science. Then again, when we used to zone blitz and stunt a lot, they had to remember a lot of things.
I haven't seen them do much of anything creative so far this season.
I haven't seen them do much of anything creative so far this season.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:17 pm to bwallcubfan
Herron was nicked and did not dress last week. He and Gilmore have each played in two games. Bain has played in every game since Wisconsin.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:25 pm to sunnydaze
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how can you blame coaching when godchaux has taken in the same coaching and has grasped the playbook and got his technique down quicker?
In general, it's the coaches job to get the most out of each player that they can.
In this case Godchaux comes off as exceptional. You can't judge the coaching based on the exceptions.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:25 pm to CP3LSU25
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Bad recruiting? Not getting coached up? Do we blame those 3?
How does 1 5 star and 2 4 star DLine guys not contribute in 2 years.
unfortunately coaching is the primary answer, and recruiting. enough repetition can correct mindlessness. danny mccray would be one example who was always out of position in college and had a good couple of years at the next level
there are two main philosophies of recruiting:
1) get the big, fast, strong guy and teach him technique. That is, don't place as much emphasis on his high school performance, brains (unless QB) b/c the young man may have gone to a small school and blown up everyone, but it's irrelevant due to competition. Then you take the big strong fast guy and force him to be better (or process him??)
2) get the over-achieving guy with brains, or try to get some combination of 1 and 2.
LSU tries to combine both, and unfortunately, you can't always have it both ways (unless patrick peterson and a few others). this could mask coaching shortcomings if you have enough pat petersons, et al
by the way, this is the primary thing that saban changed in his general philosophy when he came back to college
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:40 pm to mostbesttigerfanever
I remember watching Texas a&m bring in a massive number of receivers over the last 2-3 recruiting cycles. It always struck me as funny... Why recruit so many? Only a limited amount can see the field at any given time. Sound familiar?
Well I think I see what they were doing, and it really worked. They brought in at least twenty guys for the same position in a short span. They didn't want or care about depth, they wanted to be able to make cuts.
Bring in a TON of guys at a position you need help with, let the cream rise to the top, ignore the rest.
It's very unkind, I know, but it is what it is.
ETA then again, Les is genuinely concerned about the kids turning into men. Doesn't sound like an approach he would be open to, and that's a very respectable and increasingly rare trait.
Well I think I see what they were doing, and it really worked. They brought in at least twenty guys for the same position in a short span. They didn't want or care about depth, they wanted to be able to make cuts.
Bring in a TON of guys at a position you need help with, let the cream rise to the top, ignore the rest.
It's very unkind, I know, but it is what it is.
ETA then again, Les is genuinely concerned about the kids turning into men. Doesn't sound like an approach he would be open to, and that's a very respectable and increasingly rare trait.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:44 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
Honest question, how difficult is it MENTALLY to play defensive tackle?
If you'd like a taste, listen to Coach O on Culotta and the Prince from this morning talk about how to defend Auburn...
Select the Interview When You Click Play
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:45 pm to LSURussian
quote:
You already answered your own question with Dellenger's quote: "Technique, att. to detail, knowledge of the defense"
It is the coaches responsibility to address every issue that was mentioned. It is the players responsibility to bring commitment,good work ethics, and respect to each workout. If the players are failing at anything else other than what their responsibilities are it is on the coaching staff
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:46 pm to The Egg
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i say just rotate em in, see how they perform.
I propose we add you to the rotation, The Egg. It'd be Bain and Gilmore, then The Egg and Heron. Why not? Apparently one needn't do well in practice in order to get in the games to "see how they perform."
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:47 pm to LSUfan20005
What time? Not listening to an hour of that 
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:49 pm to NotRight37
in a 4-3 defense for the most part you want your tackles keeping the guards off the MLB so he can fly around and make plays.
We have a MLB who takes the wrong angles, takes too long to diagnose plays, can't get there quick enough even when he does diagnose it, gets run over even when he does get there in time, doesn't shoot gaps when the DTs hold their man at the line...
This will make any set of DTs look bad.
We have a MLB who takes the wrong angles, takes too long to diagnose plays, can't get there quick enough even when he does diagnose it, gets run over even when he does get there in time, doesn't shoot gaps when the DTs hold their man at the line...
This will make any set of DTs look bad.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:51 pm to BigEdLSU
Well, I think that the know-it-all would-be coaches on here should simply volunteer to go "help" Chief and Brick coach up the DTs in their spare time...I'm sure they would welcome all the expertise...lol...sarc
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:51 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
that's a very respectable and increasingly rare trait.
could not agree more. it's his method and that's where the program is
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:54 pm to BobBoucher
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This has been a trend recently. Even our two studs last year underperformed. Either we are consistently bad at recruiting, or coaching them. you pick.
Both of those choices are wrong, so I'm not picking either. We sucked for one year at recruiting DTs. When your guys are so good that they are leaving in three years you can't miss one year because you'll be left with sophomores and freshman. That's what happened; we got a career backup in QT and whiffed completely on Mickey Johnson. If one of those guys was a stud we'd be strong at DT.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:56 pm to Phil2012
So in a know it all coach for saying that the product on the field is a result of defensive coaching?
Why do others get a pass if they criticize the player?
I'm calling out the guys who get paid to make things work.
Lou tepper would have looked like a genius with the '10 and '11 defenses. You had multiple all pro players and literally DOZENS OF NFL PLAYERS.
It is time to redirect the heat to the coaching staff. Plain and simple.
Why do others get a pass if they criticize the player?
I'm calling out the guys who get paid to make things work.
Lou tepper would have looked like a genius with the '10 and '11 defenses. You had multiple all pro players and literally DOZENS OF NFL PLAYERS.
It is time to redirect the heat to the coaching staff. Plain and simple.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:56 pm to davidlsu
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Don't kill me, but maybe brick haley isn't all that great of a dline coach? Dline has been weak for a while now.... Just saying
Yeah because Mingo, Brockers, Nevis, Logan, Montgomery, etc have been so bad. Brick came here the same year when Chavis did in 2009. We have had very good DL play for four straight years before 2013. IMO it's more about the early departures than anything else.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 3:01 pm to uway
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In this case Godchaux comes off as exceptional. You can't judge the coaching based on the exceptions.
lol what?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 3:19 pm to Penrod
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I propose we add you to the rotation, The Egg. It'd be Bain and Gilmore, then The Egg and Heron. Why not? Apparently one needn't do well in practice in order to get in the games to "see how they perform."
Normally I might be inclined to agree, but it's not as if LSU has any standouts on the D-line right now. The guys LSU is playing now are getting pummeled up the middle in the running game. It's not like you're taking a big risk production-wise by letting some of the other D-lineman get some snaps.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 3:19 pm to bwallcubfan
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Gilmore made a great play to close out the 1st half against NMSU. The potential is there with him. I'm just saying be patient...they are just RS frosh.
This. Gilmore can produce. Particularly against the run. His practices haven't been great, but come game day he can turn it on.
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