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re: Very interested in hearing the Miles-bashers' answers about the future
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:09 am to Lionnation1993
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:09 am to Lionnation1993
quote:
WHY NOT PASS ON FIRST OR SECOND DOWN?
WHAT PART OF I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GAME PLAN DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
quote:
THEY WAITED UNTIL WE WERE DOWN BY 14 TO START THROWING
WEll...CONSIDERING THEY THREW FIVE PASSES BEFORE GOING DOWN BY 14, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU.
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:10 am to lsusteve1
Florida, Auburn
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:14 am to lsusteve1
quote:
Who has won more since 2000?
No one has more than LSU since 2000 (including the year 2000) even if Alabama is in the discussion. Bama only has two SEC championships since 2000.
Edit: Auburn and Florida both have three (again, including 2000).
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 12:15 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:16 am to ballscaster
He's won a higher percentage of his games than anyone else here; no one can dispute that. It also doesn't mean that the program hasn't taken a step backwards while he's been here.
Look at the big picture view without assigning any credit or blame to a certain coach. From '01-'07, they won the SECW four times, won the SEC three times, and won two NC. Since then, they've only played for each of those titles one time - in 2011.
I honestly couldn't care less about how he stacks up to previous LSU coaches. They're not competing against each other. I care about how he does relative to his competitors, and for a while now, he hasn't hit the benchmarks that actually matter.
In any sport, no one cares who has the most wins over a period of time; it's about winning titles. From 1996 to 2000, the Braves won more games than anyone in baseball. No one ever brings that up because the Yankees won four titles. Who would you rather be?
Look at the big picture view without assigning any credit or blame to a certain coach. From '01-'07, they won the SECW four times, won the SEC three times, and won two NC. Since then, they've only played for each of those titles one time - in 2011.
I honestly couldn't care less about how he stacks up to previous LSU coaches. They're not competing against each other. I care about how he does relative to his competitors, and for a while now, he hasn't hit the benchmarks that actually matter.
In any sport, no one cares who has the most wins over a period of time; it's about winning titles. From 1996 to 2000, the Braves won more games than anyone in baseball. No one ever brings that up because the Yankees won four titles. Who would you rather be?
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:18 am to ballscaster
quote:
^^^not stats
Expectations are a real factor when gauging "success." That you don't account for them shows the flaw in your methodology.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:22 am to AlwysATgr
With Florida, and Auburn I was talking about NC not Sec championships didnt see which you were talking about.
Bottom Line is as far as in relation to competitors we are on the way down, everyone else is on the way up. He is doing the same thing each and every year, they have to make changes in the offense or we will end up at the bottom of the west.
Bottom Line is as far as in relation to competitors we are on the way down, everyone else is on the way up. He is doing the same thing each and every year, they have to make changes in the offense or we will end up at the bottom of the west.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:27 am to Lionnation1993
Not a response to
If we could hire another coach who would lead us to more championships than Les, would you replace les with him?
CORRECT ANSWER: Without hesitation. It's all about (legit and honorable) championships.
I didn't listen to Les's press conferences, but he should've framed it (and maybe he did) in terms of what this loss does to our hopes for a championship.
BTW, although we don't control our own destiny, there's a lot of football to be played. If we win out, and we can, then we can still win it all.
quote:but:
Lionnation1993
If we could hire another coach who would lead us to more championships than Les, would you replace les with him?
CORRECT ANSWER: Without hesitation. It's all about (legit and honorable) championships.
I didn't listen to Les's press conferences, but he should've framed it (and maybe he did) in terms of what this loss does to our hopes for a championship.
BTW, although we don't control our own destiny, there's a lot of football to be played. If we win out, and we can, then we can still win it all.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:28 am to Circle K Beggar
quote:
this year should be enough. we're not beating either Auburn or aTm
hmmmmm
LINK
Sounds familiar
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:29 am to AlwysATgr
Id say we do control our own destiny, doubt Moo State goes 7-1 in sec Id say they go 6-2 at best
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:32 am to AlwysATgr
quote:
If we could hire another coach who would lead us to more championships than Les, would you replace les with him?
CORRECT ANSWER: Without hesitation. It's all about (legit and honorable) championships.
That'll make the new coach feel safe. Fire the most successful coach in our program's history while still doing well... I'm sure all those hypothetical-guaranteed championship coaches will be knocking at the door. Not to mention you'd have to do that coaching search on the down low, and break a contract to make the hire.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:34 am to semjase
quote:Not for you to decide, Bossypants.
Anything less than winning the SECW is not accpetable. Finishing behind Alabama and Auburn in the SECW is unacceptable. Having 4-5 SEC teams finish with a higher ranking in the Final Top 25 is unacceptable.
quote:His winning percentage against ranked teams is higher than nine SEC coaches' overall records. You are talking right out of your arse.
LM's overall winning % has been greatly padded by all the 00C cupcakes and Sisters of the Poor.
quote:Ahh, the M-word. Textbook sidewalk.
University of Mediocrity students.
Les has more national championships than you have credit hours. You're dismissed. You've got nothing worth reading from here on.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:34 am to PKTiger
quote:
Look at the big picture view without assigning any credit or blame to a certain coach. From '01-'07, they won the SECW four times, won the SEC three times, and won two NC. Since then, they've only played for each of those titles one time - in 2011
You made a very good argument, way better than most. But you cannot deny that the SEC as a whole is a way different place now than it was since/before 2007.
Edit: I do agree with you to an extent, as well.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 12:36 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:41 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
That'll make the new coach feel safe. Fire the most successful coach in our program's history while still doing well... I'm sure all those hypothetical-guaranteed championship coaches will be knocking at the door. Not to mention you'd have to do that coaching search on the down low, and break a contract to make the hire.
I was assuming results to underscore my emphasis on championships.
But you are completely correct about all the dirty work. It would be easy to do worse than Les and very difficult to do better.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:45 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
But you cannot deny that the SEC as a whole is a way different place now than it was since/before 2007.
Oh no doubt, especially the West. But isn't that how you want to judge success - relative to others rather than against absolute values.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:46 am to AlwysATgr
quote:No. I'm just ignoring it because it is irrelevant. The results are the same under Miles no matter how much you THINK Saban helped him.
First, are you suggesting that the program that Les inherited was in the same state of health as Stovall, Arnsparger, Archer, etc?
quote:5th.
When you refer to his "own players" what does this mean? 4th yr and beyond?
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:48 am to PKTiger
quote:LSU.
In any sport, no one cares who has the most wins over a period of time; it's about winning titles. From 1996 to 2000, the Braves won more games than anyone in baseball. No one ever brings that up because the Yankees won four titles. Who would you rather be?
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:49 am to AlwysATgr
quote:Irrelevant.
Expectations are a real factor when gauging "success." That you don't account for them shows the flaw in your methodology.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:11 am to ballscaster
quote:
5th.
Why not 4th if you're really wanting to compare records with one's "own players"?
By your criteria, Stovall, Arnsparger, Archer, and Hallman don't even have records since none coached a 5th season.
ballscaster - your methodology is becoming more and more suspect. You refuse to account for expectations or initial conditions in gauging success.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:15 am to ballscaster
quote:
Irrelevant.
Not if you want a real measure of success.
At this juncture, I'm convinced that you're just posting in self-defense because your methodology can't pass muster.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 1:19 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 6:38 am to Cadello
quote:Keep giving the down arrows..just proves my point...
You attracted 26 Miles bashers to your thread..Well done sir, well done
I could probably name half of you..
Never satisfied, even with a win, always find reasons to bitch.
Your sad pathetic lives probably go just about the same way. You just use your: Wife, g/f, parent, kids, animals in the place of CLM, the staff, the players.
Hurry push the Red Arrow and further prove my point
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