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re: Very interested in hearing the Miles-bashers' answers about the future
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:12 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:12 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
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While most fans in this thread are Bashing Miles they are deferring from the question posed by the OP - what are your answers for the future? And I would suppose one response would be there are a number of coaches who would do better in the same situation.
I think history shows differently. Other than maybe Saban who everyone knows is off the table, there is no other coach who has as proven of a record against top teams.
This is a rebuilding year and Les needs at least this year and next year. The season just started we are extremely young and I haven't given up on this team and neither should any REAL Tiger Fan!
Occasionally, someone with a brain has something to say.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:16 pm to MontanaTiger
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Really? That coach just won three of the last five NCs.
I'm aware.
But I did say "here at LSU." Not talking about what he's done at Alabama.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:22 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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But I did say "here at LSU." Not talking about what he's done at Alabama.
You don't think he would have done at least as good at LSU? I do.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:23 pm to MontanaTiger
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You don't think he would have done at least as good at LSU? I do.
The point of this thread was talking about LSU and its coaches in a historical context. So many missing that point.
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You don't think he would have done at least as good at LSU?
Since you brought up a hypothetical, I'll counter with one. If Oklahoma State only had Oklahoma on their jerseys, are we playing them in the Dome back in 2011/2012? Is Gundy given a national pulpit to campaign better for his team as they sit at home during the weekend of the SEC Championship game like Saban was?
If those things happen, Saban and Miles are tied in the National Title category and this place might be a bit happier. The land of the hypothetical is fun!
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:25 pm to Oh Lawd
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Fulmer was pretty great at UT for awhile
Get back with me when we are not winning 8 + games a year
Not to mention UT hasn't recovered from him leaving
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:36 pm to lsusteve1
I love it when the Miles fanboys say, "Who out there is better than Miles?" lest they forget Saban was a nobody when LSU hired him.
LSU can do better than Miles. Other SECW teams have had recent success in finding coaches who are more in touch with today's game.
Michigan, please come calling.
LSU can do better than Miles. Other SECW teams have had recent success in finding coaches who are more in touch with today's game.
Michigan, please come calling.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:39 pm to ballscaster
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the comprehensive statistics
ballscaster - this is what you're not providing- "comprehensive" statistics. Why so? Because you're not factoring in "expectations."
Why did Les say after the '08 season that 5 losses were unacceptable at LSU? Because he had expectations that we could/should have done better.
Until your model of success accounts for expectations and championships it's based on a fallacious argument.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:40 pm to Circle K Beggar
So because we got lucky with Saban, it's a definite it will happen again?
So you're telling me you'd take Malzahn, Billema, Mullen, Buck - tooth over Miles?
Man, just stfu and pull for someone else. It's a simple solution.
So you're telling me you'd take Malzahn, Billema, Mullen, Buck - tooth over Miles?
Man, just stfu and pull for someone else. It's a simple solution.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:42 pm to lsusteve1
I'd take Malzahn, Mullen, and Sumlin for sure.
So I'm not a fan because I don't think the head coach isn't above criticism?
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Man, just stfu and pull for someone else. It's a simple solution.
So I'm not a fan because I don't think the head coach isn't above criticism?
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:42 pm to ballscaster
You keep mentioning that the village idiot has a higher winning percentage than his predecessors and try to convince everyone it's actually a valid point. Since '84, Arnsparger, Archer, and Saban won at least a share of the SEC outright while at LSU. Hallman was absolute diarrhea and Dinardo was successful, but was his own worst enemy due to his stubbornness. With that being said, there's a damned good chance Arnsparger and Saban would have had AT LEAST as good or better winning percentage as Lesron had they both stayed 10 yrs like Doofus has, not to mention throwing in an extra rent-a-win per season. Add the fact that they both took over LOSING PROGRAMS, unlike LSU's current well-spoken genius. On the other hand, Archer took over a winning program just off the heels of an SEC championship and won 18 games in '87 and '88 (thru 11 game regular seasons), including a bowl victory over a top 10 team and a share of an SEC title. With talent, Archer was able to "manage" winning. Problem was he couldn't recruit worth a bag of shite, hence he was out the door after 4 seasons. My point...it's completely unfair to compare Braindead to his predecessors due to the aforementioned circumstances. Question is...is Retardical Miles a program building genius like Arnsparger or Saban was/is, or is he a much better recruiting version of Mike Archer, who didn't have to build shite but could also "manage" to win games with talent. IMHO...he's Archer as far as X's and O's, only dumber.
Sort of off subject, but how does one observe Les Miles continually call in an extremely predictable manner (or direct the offensive coordinator to call) multiple I-formation dive plays into the teeth of a physical defense, resulting in a minimal gain or loss of yardage, while he sports this "I have absolutely positively no earthly idea why this isn't working" look on his face, and still say to ourselves "man we have a GREAT coach"? I just don't f**king understand it.
Sort of off subject, but how does one observe Les Miles continually call in an extremely predictable manner (or direct the offensive coordinator to call) multiple I-formation dive plays into the teeth of a physical defense, resulting in a minimal gain or loss of yardage, while he sports this "I have absolutely positively no earthly idea why this isn't working" look on his face, and still say to ourselves "man we have a GREAT coach"? I just don't f**king understand it.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:44 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:That's because expectations are not statistics. Expectations are opinions.
ballscaster - this is what you're not providing- "comprehensive" statistics. Why so? Because you're not factoring in "expectations."
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:46 pm to TheBaker
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I have absolutely positively no earthly idea why this isn't working" look on his face, and still say to ourselves "man we have a GREAT coach"? I just don't f**king understand it.
because he gives zany press conferences and is a family man!!!
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:47 pm to TheBaker
TheBaker -
The first part of your post has merit in that ballscaster ignores the set of initial conditions Les's predecessors had. But Les is >>>>> Archer if nothing but for recruiting alone.
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IMHO...he's Archer, only dumber.
The first part of your post has merit in that ballscaster ignores the set of initial conditions Les's predecessors had. But Les is >>>>> Archer if nothing but for recruiting alone.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:47 pm to Sports2
quote:Yeah it was unfair for me to use things that insignificant career win-loss record. It's unfair to people with opinions.
I know that didn't answer your question, but I think you've stacked the deck with history to make it an obvious non-answer.
quote:Treat Miles the same way Dinardo, Brady, and Trent were treated. Give the guy four years out of the gate, and from there, two consecutive years of significant regression, and I'm comfortable trusting the AD to make a change if they feel the need to do so.
To flip it around, how long can a coach trade on past successes in your book? Is it a lifetime contract for a national title?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:49 pm to Circle K Beggar
I agree Sumlin, Malzahn, and Mullen are all better. How can you defend a coach that runs it up the middle against the 2nd best rush D in sec and does not pass against the 13th ranked pass D. UAB shredded state for over 400 yards. Common sense man, throw the football
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:49 pm to Circle K Beggar
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they forget Saban was a nobody when LSU hired him.
Not even close to being true.
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LSU can do better than Miles
Yes we could, and we could also do much worse.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:49 pm to TheBaker
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village idiot
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Lesron
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Doofus
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Braindead
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Retardical Miles
Nice.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:50 pm to TheBaker
quote:Stopped right there. frick off, moron.
You keep mentioning that the village idiot
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:50 pm to ballscaster
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two consecutive years of significant regression
2009
2010 (He was about to lose his mind)
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:51 pm to Circle K Beggar
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'd take Malzahn, Mullen, and Sumlin for sure
They have a combined ONE win against Miles
Congrats
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I'm not a fan because I don't think the head coach isn't above criticism?
It's not criticizing, it's just plain stupid
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