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re: new Pink Floyd album - Nov 10
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:04 am to vandelay industries
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:04 am to vandelay industries
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although PF is obviously stronger with both of 'em, roger needs dave more than the other way around.
Except pink Floyd was awesome before Gilmour was a member.
Division Bell was their worst album.
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:26 am to Burt Reynolds
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Division Bell was their worst album.
Momentary Lapse was pretty awful too.
The fact is that Roger Waters is a much better songwriter. Everything done after he left has been a big cheeseball fest and you can attribute that to Gilmour's songwriting. He has a great voice and is a talented guitarist, but let someone else do the writing.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:09 am to SUB
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The fact is that Roger Waters is a much better songwriter. Everything done after he left has been a big cheeseball fest and you can attribute that to Gilmour's songwriting. He has a great voice and is a talented guitarist, but let someone else do the writing.
Yup, the band sucks without Roger.
The band was fine before Gilmour. Some would say better. The new albums blow hard.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:16 am to vandelay industries
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roger needs dave more than the other way around.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Both of them are better with each other. Roger is certainly a better songwriter, though.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:18 am to Burt Reynolds
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The band was fine before Gilmour. Some would say better
Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a great album, but Gilmour brought a completely new dimension to the band.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:18 am to Galactic Inquisitor
This is GREAT news. Can't wait to hear tbis.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:20 am to HeadyBrosevelt
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but Gilmour brought a completely new dimension to the band.
Yeah. Better songs.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:22 am to White Shadeaux
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better songs
:kige:
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:28 am to Burt Reynolds
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The band was fine before Gilmour. Some would say better
I think that anyone who says they were better before Gilmour is being ridiculous. Their best music was made in the Waters/Gilmour/Wright/Mason era.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:31 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. Both of them are better with each other. Roger is certainly a better songwriter, though.
i dunno, i think roger's solo output is pretty underwhelming, save for parts of 'amused to death'. while 'division bell' isn't an elite PF album, IMO dave's guitar elevates it above any of roger's albums, songwriting notwithstanding. roger got the lion's share of songwriting credits on floyd's later albums, but many people have disputed his generosity (or lack of) concerning that, gilmour being one of them....once roger left & did his solo work, left to his own wares, it seems apparent that certain people (gilmour & ezrin in particular, and arguably wright on "sheep") likely didn't get the proper credit they deserved on PF's albums...
but like i said in the beginning of my other post, they definitely need each other to get the best from one another...
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:34 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:35 am to White Shadeaux
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Yeah. Better songs.
Actually, Waters wrote the majority of the music with Wright contributing. Gilmour certainly shaped their sound with his playing and tone, but he wasn't really a principle songwriter until Waters left.
I'd say that Barrett leaving is what allowed Waters to really spread his wings and bring some direction and focus to the group's sound.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:37 am to vandelay industries
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i think roger's solo output is pretty underwhelming, save for parts of 'amused to death'
I don't think anyone is saying it's superb, but neither is PF's output or Gilmour's solo output. Unfortunately they're both arrogant assholes who can't get along, because they really were one of the best bands of all time.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:46 am to Galactic Inquisitor
my point was that perhaps roger gets romanticized a little bit too much, simply because people see a PF song credited to waters & immediately assume he brought in a finished work, with no one else offering any input...when in reality, he strong-armed his name on every song, even to the point of getting into major tiffs with gilmour & ezrin (for his input on 'the wall'). after reading the 'saucerful of secrets' bio many years ago, if roger shared the wealth like gilmour does, many floyd albums would have gilmour & wright's names all over them too....
roger might've brought his vision to the table, but the results on his solo work say that he might've gotten more help than he wanted to admit while in PF...
roger might've brought his vision to the table, but the results on his solo work say that he might've gotten more help than he wanted to admit while in PF...
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:50 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 10:58 am to vandelay industries
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but the results on his solo work say that he might've gotten more help than he wanted to admit while in PF...
The results of PF's work after he left say that he might have done more to craft the sound of PF than Gilmour wanted to admit. It cuts both ways.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:02 am to HeadyBrosevelt
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Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a great album, but Gilmour brought a completely new dimension to the band.
Meh, syd Barrett was better. Gilmour is kindof a douche and has turned pink Floyd from a psychedelic band into the eagles.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:11 am to Burt Reynolds
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Meh, syd Barrett was better. Gilmour is kindof a douche and has turned pink Floyd from a psychedelic band into the eagles.
Waters/Gilmour > Barrett
You can't just treat it as Barrett vs. Gilmour, as Barrett also stood in the way of Waters ideas.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:19 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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The results of PF's work after he left say that he might have done more to craft the sound of PF than Gilmour wanted to admit. It cuts both ways.
Roger Waters is pink floyd
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:12 pm to Burt Reynolds
The Wall fricking suck
Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:29 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
The charts and album sales beg to differ
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:08 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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The results of PF's work after he left say that he might have done more to craft the sound of PF than Gilmour wanted to admit. It cuts both ways.
exactly....it cuts both ways. but if i was forced to pick one over the other, i'll take gilmour's guitar sound & vocals + song-oriented tracks as opposed to roger's borderline spoken-word passages.
anyway, if the 30 second sample on their website is indicative of anything, then i'm looking forward to hearing the album.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 1:10 pm
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