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re: Video: CLM postgame presser "it might be the plan's fault "
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:38 pm to Katy Tiger
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:38 pm to Katy Tiger
Please les. Dont change anything. You are elite!!!!!
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:38 pm to monsterballads
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expect the stadium to be half full saturday
half?
I expect actual attendance to be south of 45000
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:40 pm to Delacroix22
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apparently that was the call on 4th but jennings kept it
If he ignored the call and didn't listen to coaches, why did they put him back out there? Usually there are consequences for deliberately disobeying your coaches.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:41 pm to CptBengal
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0fer in the SEC here we come!
Come on man
I know you're slightly insane but that's just stupid
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:41 pm to Delacroix22
quote:Re-watched the play several times and believe Fournette would have been able to get in with little difficulty. That decision falls on Jennings. That's why it's called an option. It was a turning point in the game.
apparently that was the call on 4th but jennings kept it
This post was edited on 9/21/14 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:48 pm to Dalosaqy
Jennings doesn't appear to process anything quickly during plays. Never checks down and looked confused on the 2 point conversion as well.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:52 pm to Delacroix22
quote:a toss sweep is different than an option play. Looking at that play it looked like a fake toss and keeper... with a soph QB expected to run and pass and is working on short passing game.
apparently that was the call on 4th but jennings kept it
The biggest problem I have with that series is that we didn't attempt a single pass and that (correct me if I'm wrong) we handed the ball to a tailback once out of 4 running attempts. Besides the fact that we pulled a senior running back and put in two freshmen.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:59 pm to Katy Tiger
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For years I've wondered if Les had a stroke. There were rumors out of OK State that he had something happen. He seems to have that verbal disconnect that stroke survivors have.
Not meant as a flame. I think Les might really have some medical issues. Sometimes he makes no sense at all.
Doubtful. You have to have a brain to have a stroke
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:04 pm to DEG
I don't care what he says anymore. It doesn't matter what he says. The gameplan sucks. He knows it sucks. And I will bet dollars to donuts its the same plan next week and every week thereafter
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:08 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
I can't listen to the man anymore! I hope he does change though, but I don't see it hopefully he finally gets it!
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:29 pm to CptBengal
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Pathetic that we don't play to the opponents weakness.
400k per game for stubbornness .
FIFY. Miles knows the weakness, but he doesnt give a shite. He wants to run the damn ball and "impose his will". People kept defending that crap all yesterday before the game and the whole week leading up to it. That shite will not work if the OL cannot block. frick what everybody says about 3 wide, spread em out, we have yearly ran through people with pretty much crap for a passing game. 2010, 2011, and 2012 are the perfect examples of this. Remember the last time we couldn't run it good? That was 2009. That was also the year when Miles said that it was his best OL ever.
Jennings reminds me of Jefferson 2009, which is not a bad thing mind you, but when paired with no defense or no run game, it sucks arse. I could still see Jennings finishing with around 2400 pass yards and 16 TDs through the air, if he gets the snaps and the passes.
IMO Harris will give us way more passing and running the ball, and Fournette should be the 18-20 carry workhorse. I could see Fournette grinding out 120 yards a game on 18-20 carries a game. You can get him for 10 carries for 50 yards or 70 on 15 carries, but on that 11th or 16th, he will bust a 20, 40, or 60 yarder on you. I promise you it will be consistent if the coaches would stop treating this like "everybody gets a turn" little league.
I can see Harris rushing and throwing for a lot. Of course he will make freshman mistakes, but this kid is electric and gives us more looks and more opportunities. He'll overthrow some and try to sneak some through the space of a fat girl's thighs, but this guy is good enough to rocket us to 300 yards a game running and passing from the QB spot alone.
Those are the two biggest changes that need to be made on offense.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:37 pm to DEG
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1) MSU will prove to be better than we gave them credit for. 2) A slightly more agressive offensive game plan changes the outcome of things. 3) We flat out matched up poorly against them.
AND our execution broke down at critical times (AJ's poor passing, missed blocks and tackles, and wrong defensive plays called)
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:51 pm to DEG
One of his MANY faults is he runs the exact same game plan on offense every week no caring who we play. He runs it and says stop is if you can. He's done that for 10 years. He's proud of it. Problem is everyone knows what we're doing, they know the plays and they stop us.
He's still got that Bo 20th century football mentality. He doesn't try to exploit their weaknesses. (Perfect example was the Magee trick play. All 11 defenders but on it bc we run the same play over and over. It worked because that was their weakness but he left it there.)
He's still got that Bo 20th century football mentality. He doesn't try to exploit their weaknesses. (Perfect example was the Magee trick play. All 11 defenders but on it bc we run the same play over and over. It worked because that was their weakness but he left it there.)
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:58 pm to LSU GrandDad
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AND our execution broke down at critical times (AJ's poor passing, missed blocks and tackles, and wrong defensive plays called)
Agreed. This was never more evident than when we attempted to run screens. Bad bad bad.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:00 pm to monsterballads
quote:Preach bro
Posted by monsterballads
I wish he were more honest and cut the crap
the fanbase see's right through his illogical plan
when he's a goof ball and winning, that's one thing. people laugh it off.
when he's a goofball and losing, the fanbase grabs their torches and pitchforks.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:25 pm to DEG
I stayed until the bitter end last night and nearly witnessed a miracle. There were a bunch of moo state fans around us who took pictures of themselves with the scoreboard behind them when it was 31-10. If dural comes down with that hail mary, it would have been one of the most magical nights i had ever experienced in tiger stadium. However, we came up short. Seeing how even with a crap game plan, crap execution, and crap defense for 55 minutes, we still came within a play of a walkoff victory. This team has heart, but this coaching staff seems baffled at how to tap into that for at least 3/4 of each game.
After watching that pathetic display, i will be missing my first home game since 2008 (i had to miss the georgia game due to a high school band competition). However, that has more to do with the fact that my so's cousin is having an engagement party than the "poor atmosphere", "piped on music", traffic, or "boring play"
After watching that pathetic display, i will be missing my first home game since 2008 (i had to miss the georgia game due to a high school band competition). However, that has more to do with the fact that my so's cousin is having an engagement party than the "poor atmosphere", "piped on music", traffic, or "boring play"
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:40 pm to winston318
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How can you get more aggressive with Jennings? He's always looking for the home run
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic and stating that Jennings is not capable of being more aggressive, or if you're serious. I'm inclined to read your post at face value since Jennings does throw some bombs.
Yes, Jennings does make some long throws, but usually to a one on one match up along the sideline. And he seems to err on the side of overthrowing, so the most likely outcomes are an incompletion or a long reception if the receiver has a step on the db... and without analyzing any of these attempts, I think he only throws these when the receiver has a step. So, I would not qualify these long bombs to be aggressive. I actually think they're low risk / conservative; the high reward they provide is also somewhat offset by their low success rate.
I don't pretend to be an expert and I haven't made any attempt to break down tendencies. But off the top of my head, I don't think LSU uses the middle of the field very much in the passing game. If anyone knows where any nifty passing charts are that show the location of passes, I would be curious to see. But I do suspect the middle of the field is being avoided... whether that's a choice by the coaching staff and the game plan, or by Jennings in the middle of a play.
Regardless, this makes the game plan or the execution of the game plan too conservative. Throwing long bombs on go routes along the sideline is low risk. Throwing short passes to the flats is low risk. Both these plays seek to circumvent the defense by dinking and dunking underneath it on the edge, or trying to lob over it. Neither attacks the defense, so I don't consider them aggressive at all.
Posts and slants to the middle of the field are inherently more aggressive. They attack the middle of the defense and force defenders to account for more areas on the field, which-- if the defense respects the threat to the middle-- loosens up any areas the defense had been crowding.
The problem with this aggressiveness is that it is inherently higher risk. On the passes to the flats or on the go routes, you only have to account for one defender (corner) being there, and maybe a safety, though the safety shouldn't be in position to do anything until after the catch. In the middle of the field, it is inherently more crowded and numerous linebackers, corners and safeties are threats to cut off passing lanes and make interceptions.
I really do wonder how much LSU coaches plan to utilize the middle. There are numerous plays where Jennings drops back and appears to be analyzing the middle... I'm not sure if he's waiting for a player to make a break on his route, or if defenders actually cover us on those routes well (because we are doing something predictable), or if the receivers are marginally open, but Jennings thinks it's too risky, or something else. But there are many plays where he's standing there for a good 2-3 seconds before protection breaks down and he either dumps it for minimal gain, or-- more likely-- throws it away or gets sacked. It's impossible for me to know what his primary read was supposed to be on these plays. I can say, though, that the net result is a far from aggressive passing offense. So, yes, there is room for improvement in that area.
Interestingly, and perhaps ironically, the running game is predicated on a we're bigger, stronger and faster mentality and have run right at defenses over the past few years (I won't judge this year yet as the body of work is small). The running game does not try to tip toe around the edge of defenses. On the other hand, the passing game does the opposite; it does try to tip toe along the edge and avoids the tough yards in the middle of the field.
Last year, Mett had some success in the middle of the field. Granted, he was a legit pro talent and was a senior. I understand the coaches may want to protect these young QBs from being too aggressive and making too many mistakes like Lee in 2008, which might undermine their confidence. But hand-cuffing them too much can do the same.
Hopefully, this will work itself out over the next couple of weeks with Jennings and/or Harris, because we still have a chance to have a good season.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:42 pm to Katy Tiger
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Not meant as a flame. I think Les might really have some medical issues. Sometimes he makes no sense at all.
got something else on his mind. he looks distant.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:43 pm to Moustache
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If he ignored the call and didn't listen to coaches, why did they put him back out there? Usually there are consequences for deliberately disobeying your coaches.
yeah, that is complete bullshite on jennings part
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:43 pm to monsterballads
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expect the stadium to be half full saturday
Capitalism at its best. Let the market decide how well it likes the product.
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